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[Left Coast Pirates]

Virginia had good to excellent offense during that run! They played low scoring games because of their pace on both sides of the ball but their offense was highly efficient. The National Championship year their offense was ranked #2 in the Nation. They were Top 50 all 6 years - their KP Offensive ratings were #2, 30, 50, 8, 21 & 27.

They never shot the 3 worse than 35% and for 4 years it was 38.3% - 40.2%.

You need to have balance and the ability to win in multiple ways to get where we want to be on a consistent basis.

I agree with what you are saying about money. Seton Hall hired Sha and they have spent multi-millions on facilities, coaches and players but they have yet to give him even an average budget to acquire players. That is a problem and I strongly believe Seton Hall should give him what he needs this Spring ($9-10M) so he can be on equal footing with AVERAGE BE teams and see what it nets.

But money isn't everything. Sha needs to realize he needs to mature his approach and be willing to change. The best coaches are the ones who can adjust - season to season, game to game, possession to possession. The way to improve the most is on the offensive end.

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Sha's Team Shooting% over his 8 years
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We are on the same page.

It has to be more balanced.

I believe you can lead with defense if your offense is not incompetent. Hence the Virginia example. And yes their offense was very good also, which is why they were a perennial 1 seed and 30 win team during that stretch. Obviously that isn’t our realistic expectation.

I don’t care for looking at his team’s shooting trends. If you don’t have players that can shoot your percentages aren’t going to high. That is obvious. And if we don’t pay for players that will not change.

His best offensive Ken Pom team at Seton Hall was the 2023-24 team. 70th I believe without looking it up. It had 3 good offensive players in Richmond, Dawes, and Davis. And to be fair Kadary couldn’t shoot the 3 (27%) and the other guards Dawes (45%) and Wusu (41%) were not good from 2 point range.

That team had a ton of offensive flaws in its players and zero bench to support and he still got it to 70th.

I do believe if Sha has the resources he will have a 40-50 type offense and a top 10 defense. That formula will win you games and get you in the tournament.

 

[Left Coast Pirates]

Budd is not the problem. While he does have some issues the problem is the players he is playing with. It is one thing for him to be undersized but the guys starting at the other 4 positions are also undersized. That is a bad situation for him to be in.

Like I said. I knew I would take crap for that comment. Budd IS NOT the problem. That was not the topic at hand.

However, Budd is not your prototypical PG to be an efficient 3 point oriented shooting type offense.
And I gave examples of his game in which good coaches have scouted already to limit our success.

Again…
1. Then go under our screens because he can’t shoot the 3.

2. Help defenders do not leave the perimeter shooters, because they are ok with him taking a difficult fade away mid range jump shot.

All the posters who are clamoring for modern day analytics / embrace the 3 point shot, also need to acknowledge that this type of shot is currently considered the worst in terms of metrics / efficiency.

 

[The Crows Nest]

Virginia had good to excellent offense during that run! They played low scoring games because of their pace on both sides of the ball but their offense was highly efficient. The National Championship year their offense was ranked #2 in the Nation. They were Top 50 all 6 years - their KP Offensive ratings were #2, 30, 50, 8, 21 & 27.

They never shot the 3 worse than 35% and for 4 years it was 38.3% - 40.2%.

You need to have balance and the ability to win in multiple ways to get where we want to be on a consistent basis.

I agree with what you are saying about money. Seton Hall hired Sha and they have spent multi-millions on facilities, coaches and players but they have yet to give him even an average budget to acquire players. That is a problem and I strongly believe Seton Hall should give him what he needs this Spring ($9-10M) so he can be on equal footing with AVERAGE BE teams and see what it nets.

But money isn't everything. Sha needs to realize he needs to mature his approach and be willing to change. The best coaches are the ones who can adjust - season to season, game to game, possession to possession. The way to improve the most is on the offensive end.

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Sha's Team Shooting% over his 8 years
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Fish, as usual, you deliver. A rational, complete analysis. I really enjoy reading your posts...thank you.
And "yes", I am firmly in the camp of "Seton Hall, finally step up and let us at least compete at an average level (finances) and see what we can do." To judge Sha on anything else is almost unfair.

I also believe, however, as you post that Sha has culpability as well; he must adjust his thinking, and bring in a more balanced roster.

Combined...I truly believe we can do great things.

Look at Danny...he was also a defense first stalwart...now has one of the most intricate offenses in college BB. Oh, and 2 Nattys to show for it!

 

[Garyshu1971]

Getting one dimensional defensive players is easier and cheaper. Getting guys who can score multiple ways but maybe don’t defend because in high school they were protected from fouling out various ways by their coach are out there but that’s where the coaching comes in. Orr told his players he knew that they could score , that’s why you’re here but now we’re going to teach you to play defense. And they learned and did it in a much much tougher Big East. So that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. Actually being in four place in the Big East never ever put you out of the tournament or on-the bubble . You walked in as a seven or eight no problem.

 

[hallwins]

Fish, as usual, you deliver. A rational, complete analysis. I really enjoy reading your posts...thank you.
And "yes", I am firmly in the camp of "Seton Hall, finally step up and let us at least compete at an average level (finances) and see what we can do." To judge Sha on anything else is almost unfair.

I also believe, however, as you post that Sha has culpability as well; he must adjust his thinking, and bring in a more balanced roster.

Combined...I truly believe we can do great things.

Look at Danny...he was also a defense first stalwart...now has one of the most intricate offenses in college BB. Oh, and 2 Nattys to show for it!

Sha did adjust his portal approach.
Young, highly rated HS recruits getting a 2nd chance. To this year

Much more experienced players

Now need to go to 8 person strong rotation and prioritize shooting/scoring.

 

[Seton75]

My friends and I waited for an hour after the first NIT game two years ago to even attempt to leave the garage.

Doesnt this topic usually have us also adding d1 fb?

 

[shu09]

What offensive style do we run?

I truly think he doesn't know himself, and that's scary. Never seen a college coach so inept at 50% of the game.

 

[JTSHU]

Well said. This has been my major gripe all season long. From the very first game I noticed Clark turning around, made more obvious when we are on the opposite side of the court from our bench.

It stops the flow of the offense and takes valuable time off the shot clock, Sure on occasion the coach should control the action on the court. But Holloway's total control personality clearly hinders our team and unfortunately I don't think that will ever change.

We do seem to execute drawn up plays out of timeouts. I always say why cant we do that over and over. Budd does take a long time defering to shaheen coming up the court.

 

[JTSHU]

It’s not changing anytime soon. After a recent game (at Butler maybe?) Sha commented he tried to let them run it and he had to take it over.

I don’t get it. He talks about tempo and getting into things quickly - which is def hugely important for a team not taking 3’s - but then we waste so much time standing around with play calling and over dribbling.

What offensive style do we run?

The endless 1 on 1 and over dribbling is infuriating

 

[JTSHU]

You have watched him play for 28 games so far this year.

has any team closed out on his mid range jump shot that consistently opens up shots for the players at the 3 point line?

They do exactly what I said. They go under the pick and roll, dare him to shoot the three, take away the roll pass to the bucket, and then “one” guy in the original pick and roll has the defensive assignment to close out and make him fade away on him mid range jump shot.

Adding shooters doesn’t change that aspect of our offense.

would we make more 3 pointers in general if we have better shooters?….absolutely. But we do not have a PG / C combo that is conducive to play today’s “modern day” basketball focused on the 3 point shot.

It also doesnt help we rarely get it into najai and allow him to work. A few buckets may draw a double or kick outs. Unfortunately our offense is guards dribble drives.

 

[JTSHU]

The Big East is not the MAAC.

I don’t need to see what he did last year. The size of the players that he needs to navigate in the pick and roll this year is no where close to the same level of competition that he produced against while at Merrimack.

Are you telling me we have seen a ton of drive and kick this year?

I must of have missed it.

Putting a better shooter in place of Fisher or Williams doesn’t change the fact that our current offense / players DO NOT lead to a perimeter oriented 3 point shooting attack.

My point is, it’s not just the shooters but the entire system that initiates the offense to get those shooters open.

Youd think our poor shooting would spark more najai touches for more high percentage shots. Not to mention the countless times we give up wide open 3s to just drive into multiple defenders. Why do players feel the need to always try to get right to the rim when a 5, 7, 10 ft jumper is there.

 

[The Crows Nest]

The endless 1 on 1 and over dribbling is infuriating

This was an endless critique of Willard’s offense every year, and he had MUCH better offensive players.

I really want to see what Sha does with some real talent up and down the roster.
Then we can judge.