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I have to believe its literally impossible to move most manufacturing back to America. Especially the cheap walmart type stuff.

But balancing it to some extent, with a focus on higher end products, and products important to national security, sounds like a realistic and worthwhile goal.
We can move a lot of manufacturing back here, but the cost will go up. Stuff wont be cheap. In some ways we will be returning to the economy of the 1950's and 1960's
 
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Caliknight

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Tariffs are not a negotiation tool but here to stay. It is shift towards nationalism and away from globalism.
If one of these deadbeat nations said we want no tariffs on our goods so won't tax yours Trump would agree to that in a nano second. They won't do that though. Many of these nations, especially in Europe and beyond, and addicted to our money.
 

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We can move a lot of manufacturing back here, but the cost will go up. Stuff wont be cheap. In some ways we will be returning to the economy of the 1950's and 1960's
Manufacturing costs are going up. Once a country like like China evolves so do the costs. I know a number of people moving manufacturing to Vietnam now. That's the latest hotspot, which won't last long. Then it will be somewhere else.

America can't just be a place of ideas. We need to make things mostly because we do it better. If someone is having a hard time living without cheap **** from China, well they will be ok.

Shipping costs are a big issue and getting worse. Making goods in America will help offset the manufacturing gains which will last until being forced to take advantage of some other countries child labor laws.
 
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well as Grasso said on a recent Fast Money, once you admit it's a negotiation, you lose leverage.
They are already negotiating with multiple countries.

FYI - As of 5pm, my COIN account is still positive over the past 24 hours. My other accounts are slightly down. 😁
 

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Looks like the market continued right into the close, ending at session lows.
 

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Chaos and uncertainty are the enemies of stability and planning and unfortunately, our POTUS is very good at creating chaos and uncertainty. The US will never be competitive in manufacturing very low cost/low margin products. Targeted tariffs could help the US become more competitive in manufacturing high value products, like cars and pharmaceuticals, which is why across-the-board tariffs based mostly on trade imbalance (regardless of product type and not tariff levels in the other countries) are simply dumb and the uncertainty on where we'll actually end up with tariffs, given the ups and downs of tariffs, so far, makes it hard for companies to want to commit huge amounts of capital and time to completely change their supply chains, including manufacturing sources. And as an aside, instituting huge new taxes (yes, tariffs are taxes) to fund tax cuts primarily for the wealthy is not what was promised, economically, back in Nov - the focus was supposed to be on lowering costs/reducing inflation on Day One - where did that go?
CE board please.
 

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I get it. I also work in pharma so I know how it works. my initial statement was "Raw materials for medications also come from outside the US to manufacturing plants in the US. I would assume those would have tariffs?"
Meaning, if the drug was produced somewhere else and shipped to US it may not currently have a tariff. But I know for our US plants, most RM are from outside US. I would assume they would have a tariff because its not a pharma product yet.
We have plants all over the world, like most companies.
Pharmaceuticals are excluded from the targeted tariffs.
 
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Chaos and uncertainty are the enemies of stability and planning and unfortunately, our POTUS is very good at creating chaos and uncertainty. The US will never be competitive in manufacturing very low cost/low margin products. Targeted tariffs could help the US become more competitive in manufacturing high value products, like cars and pharmaceuticals, which is why across-the-board tariffs based mostly on trade imbalance (regardless of product type and not tariff levels in the other countries) are simply dumb and the uncertainty on where we'll actually end up with tariffs, given the ups and downs of tariffs, so far, makes it hard for companies to want to commit huge amounts of capital and time to completely change their supply chains, including manufacturing sources. And as an aside, instituting huge new taxes (yes, tariffs are taxes) to fund tax cuts primarily for the wealthy is not what was promised, economically, back in Nov - the focus was supposed to be on lowering costs/reducing inflation on Day One - where did that go?
So you're saying Trump never mentioned tariffs before Nov 4 2024.... 🤪 You're totally clueless.
 

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Chaos and uncertainty are the enemies of stability and planning and unfortunately, our POTUS is very good at creating chaos and uncertainty. The US will never be competitive in manufacturing very low cost/low margin products. Targeted tariffs could help the US become more competitive in manufacturing high value products, like cars and pharmaceuticals, which is why across-the-board tariffs based mostly on trade imbalance (regardless of product type and not tariff levels in the other countries) are simply dumb and the uncertainty on where we'll actually end up with tariffs, given the ups and downs of tariffs, so far, makes it hard for companies to want to commit huge amounts of capital and time to completely change their supply chains, including manufacturing sources. And as an aside, instituting huge new taxes (yes, tariffs are taxes) to fund tax cuts primarily for the wealthy is not what was promised, economically, back in Nov - the focus was supposed to be on lowering costs/reducing inflation on Day One - where did that go?
Ce board

Please keep your emotions in check
 

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Chaos and uncertainty are the enemies of stability and planning and unfortunately, our POTUS is very good at creating chaos and uncertainty. The US will never be competitive in manufacturing very low cost/low margin products. Targeted tariffs could help the US become more competitive in manufacturing high value products, like cars and pharmaceuticals, which is why across-the-board tariffs based mostly on trade imbalance (regardless of product type and not tariff levels in the other countries) are simply dumb and the uncertainty on where we'll actually end up with tariffs, given the ups and downs of tariffs, so far, makes it hard for companies to want to commit huge amounts of capital and time to completely change their supply chains, including manufacturing sources. And as an aside, instituting huge new taxes (yes, tariffs are taxes) to fund tax cuts primarily for the wealthy is not what was promised, economically, back in Nov - the focus was supposed to be on lowering costs/reducing inflation on Day One - where did that go?
It's only unplanned and chaotic to the TDS imbeciles that couldn't stomach listening to his interviews and stump speeches. Not one bit of this is unplanned or chaotic. It's all been orchestrated for a long time.

Trump has recently said he wants no income tax for anyone making less than a paltry $150K. He's already been clear on no tax on tips or OT.

The only people that think he's looking to not tax billionaires are the same morons claiming these tariffs weren't planned. Useful idiots as we know.
 

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After reading this thread and looking at the market, I expected to have gotten crushed today. I mean we had people saying nobody will ever retire again!!!!
Made enough to pay out of state Tuition and room and board at Rutgers for a year. Maybe all you do it yourself guys should seek professional advice?
I’m sure we will all have down days ahead but people need to relax
Terrible take. That’s like people want to tax the rich. You won’t go broke for paying another 3-5%. Just relax.
 

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Considering Navarro said on CNBC that the tariffs are not a negotiation will be interesting to see how tomorrow goes.
Tomorrow? An hour after Navarro said that Trump just said that the tariffs are negotiable, which is what most assumed in the first place, but it proves my point, again, about chaos and uncertainty emanating from the administration.
 

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So you're saying Trump never mentioned tariffs before Nov 4 2024.... 🤪 You're totally clueless.
Learn to read. I mentioned tariffs this morning and in the post you quoted, as Trump has been a tariff guy since the 80s. And I said tariffs can be effective, but what was announced last night was simply a disjointed, poorly planned mess, with ridiculously high tariffs that aren't even close to being reciprocal, as they're based largely on trade deficits not tariffs. And the fact that he's already backtracking proves my point about uncertainty and chaos, as this must be about 5th time he's changed directions on tariffs for someone we trade with.
 

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Learn to read. I mentioned tariffs this morning and in the post you quoted, as Trump has been a tariff guy since the 80s. And I said tariffs can be effective, but what was announced last night was simply a disjointed, poorly planned mess, with ridiculously high tariffs that aren't even close to being reciprocal, as they're based largely on trade deficits not tariffs. And the fact that he's already backtracking proves my point about uncertainty and chaos, as this must be about 5th time he's changed directions on tariffs for someone we trade with.
So your recent post that I quoted contradicted some earlier post this morning you wrote about Trump's tariff platform he campaigned on? Strange.
 
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Learn to read. I mentioned tariffs this morning and in the post you quoted, as Trump has been a tariff guy since the 80s. And I said tariffs can be effective, but what was announced last night was simply a disjointed, poorly planned mess, with ridiculously high tariffs that aren't even close to being reciprocal, as they're based largely on trade deficits not tariffs. And the fact that he's already backtracking proves my point about uncertainty and chaos, as this must be about 5th time he's changed directions on tariffs for someone we trade with.
It's only poorly planned because you weren't paying attention. Nothing was unplanned or even new. Anyone paying even half attention knew this was coming.

Negotiations change outcomes. So yea, things change. And will. The only thing that matters is America is in a better position, which to the dismay of what is now the far left, it will.
 

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It's only poorly planned because you weren't paying attention. Nothing was unplanned or even new. Anyone paying even half attention knew this was coming.

Negotiations change outcomes. So yea, things change. And will. The only thing that matters is America is in a better position, which to the dismay of what is now the far left, it will.
Bringing it back to stocks. The market was certainly surprised by the announcement.
 

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The union knows what we all know. Automation is coming and it's coming fast.
during union east coast port negotiations months back, i was told they wouldn't budge from not removing the person who was literally checking off containers off a clipboard after they were removed from dock and moved to staging area
 

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Wrong as usual on most points. It's true that Trump has always championed tariffs and promised them this time around, but the chaos and uncertainty center around how many times he has proposed and changed tariffs in the last 72 days - those things make it hard to plan. Even just now, Trump just said the tariffs are negotiable after Navarro and others have been saying they're not - is that not the definition of uncertainty?

And when one of your biggest promises is to lower prices on Day One and inflation hits a 6 month high soon after that, what message does that send? Also, while INCOME taxes may decrease a bit for the middle class (vs. far far larger tax cuts for billionaires), these will likely be swamped by the TARIFF taxes that are coming, as experts estimate that the average household will see an in increase of $3800/year due to these tariff-taxes.

Senator Rand Paul just reminded people that the last time tariffs this high were implemented (1930 Smoot-Harley tariffs), during the Great Depression and backfired terribly, it was the last time R's retained Congress for 50+ years. While these tariffs are a political gift to dems, I don't like seeing people likely about to experience serious economic pain, especially when it's all so unnecessary.
Of course they are negotiable. You can't be serious.

Gas and eggs prices are down. Promises made, promised kept. Border, new investments, getting illegal rapists and murderers out, hostages back, all in less than 100 days. Greatest start to a Presidency in history.

Rand Paul also said Obama was a Marxist and Joe Biden is senile. Good you are listening to him now.
 

Caliknight

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Unions are delusional. Automation is the exact opposite of what they want.
What they want and what is coming are two different things. They are hanging on for dear life not unlike those Hollywood deadbeats that went on strike. AI is going to take all their jobs.

They should learn to code.
 
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Tariff discussions are central to economic discussions right now, although I'd promise to never make another political post ever if you promised to stop making stupid, ill-informed posts on just about everything. Deal?
No your above post was political talking about what Trump was going to do on day 1

Take it to CE
 
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Tariff discussions are central to economic discussions right now, although I'd promise to never make another political post ever if you promised to stop making stupid, ill-informed posts on just about everything. Deal?
You rarely if ever post in here. The only reason u are is pile on Trump. Same thing goes for the others who never add anything to this but all of a sudden are posting here.
 

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Then why was Navarro all over the media a few hours ago saying they weren't negotiable? It's not me saying it - I assumed they would be, but his top advisers were not saying that. Hence the uncertainty - are you so obtuse you can't see that?

And he promised to bring prices down on day one, yet inflation is at its highest point in 6 months, and these tariffs are going to add to that inflation, as most items people purchase will soon have higher prices, as tariffs are taxes - please tell me you at least understand that.
Exactly. The uncertainty is a killer. Business and foreign leaders can’t rely on what he says because he changes course repeatedly… sometimes within the course of a day. He is unstable often acting upon his emotions. Not what you want from a leader. Furthermore, once tariffs are in place for a while, it’s often problematic to reverse them without other consequences.