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Sha has never recruited a good shooter in his entire head coaching career. Why would he start now, even with more money thrown his way? He simply does not believe in playing that way. It's maddening, but it's the truth. Look at his coaching history and the associated statistics. The numbers do not lie.
Al Amir-Dawes, while at Clemson

2020-21: 39.4% - 3 pt Fg %
2021-22: 39.8% - 3 pt Fg %

while at Seton Hall he shot: (from 3)
2022-23: 38.2%
2023-24: 38.9%

🤔 its shocking that IF you can recruit a guy who has shot it well at a high D1 program they would be able to duplicate that here.
 

shu67

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Sha has never recruited a good shooter in his entire head coaching career. Why would he start now, even with more money thrown his way? He simply does not believe in playing that way. It's maddening, but it's the truth. Look at his coaching history and the associated statistics. The numbers do not lie.
Are you sure that is true? Seems to me that he had a few kids at St Petes when they made their big NCAA run that were quite good!
 

shu09

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Are you sure that is true? Seems to me that he had a few kids at St Petes when they made their big NCAA run that were quite good!
I have already been over this on the board. See this post for reference: https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/game-thread-villanova.8669227/page-2#post-181115111

He does not value the 3pt shot and does not recruit with any emphasis on it. He'd rather have a guy who can play defense and muck it up offensively. That's his style, how he coaches. We have to live with it until he moves on. But don't expect anything great because this kind of system simply doesn't work at the high major level in today's game.
 

shu09

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Al Amir-Dawes, while at Clemson

2020-21: 39.4% - 3 pt Fg %
2021-22: 39.8% - 3 pt Fg %

while at Seton Hall he shot: (from 3)
2022-23: 38.2%
2023-24: 38.9%

🤔 its shocking that IF you can recruit a guy who has shot it well at a high D1 program they would be able to duplicate that here.
So he shot it worse at Seton Hall as he gained college basketball playing experience. Interesting, because most players improve as they get older in college.

As I said to shu67, see the post for all you need to know about Holloway and his refusal to value the 3pt shot: https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/game-thread-villanova.8669227/page-2#post-181115111
 

MBryantFan88

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So he shot it worse at Seton Hall as he gained college basketball playing experience. Interesting, because most players improve as they get older in college.

As I said to shu67, see the post for all you need to know about Holloway and his refusal to value the 3pt shot: https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/game-thread-villanova.8669227/page-2#post-181115111
Such a bad take. If you look at his takes/makes per game over the last 4 years that are listed here, there is almost no difference.

 

NCAAsorBust

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who gives a **** about Dawes, individual players, or anything other than getting into the tournament. This is all a distraction to admit we’re going 4 years without a tournament game.
 
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MBryantFan88

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Again, you all miss the point. The point is good three point shooting is not a priority for Shaheen Holloway.
Didnt miss anything. Just pointed out your bad take. I'm not involving myself in the rest of this nonsense.
 
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shu09

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Didnt miss anything. Just pointed out your bad take. I'm not involving myself in the rest of this nonsense.
Haha, this board is so funny at times. Thanks for the laugh, and keep making excuses for Sha as the program continues to flounder with him in charge.
 

MBryantFan88

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Haha, this board is so funny at times. Thanks for the laugh, and keep making excuses for Sha as the program continues to flounder with him in charge.
RIF. There were no excuses made, just bad takes pointed out.
 

MBryantFan88

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Thanks for your service in pointing out my "take." You disagree? I couldn't care less. Prove me wrong with facts and evidence.
Are you just trying to be a troll? Are you the new Pedro Pantilones? You said he shot worse. Stats show he basically shot the same. And i linked his stats.

That’s legit the length of my involvement.

Try to be better…
 

shu09

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Are you just trying to be a troll? Are you the new Pedro Pantilones? You said he shot worse. Stats show he basically shot the same. And i linked his stats.

That’s legit the length of my involvement.

Try to be better…

The topic is about the coach's refusal to use the 3pt shot in his offense and the absence of shooters on his rosters. Another poster brought up Dawes. But since you did again, yes, his shooting percentage was slightly lower at Seton Hall than it was at Clemson. Even the poster who brought him up posted his numbers. Last time I checked, the number 38 is lower than 39. Maybe you disagree?
 

Piratz

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Yeah idk what we’re even debating. Right now we have another losing record in the BE largely bc the offense is inept over 13 games. Is anyone really going defend that? And it’s inept bc of how it’s structured and the style of play. It needs improvement. It’s systemic now; different rosters, same poor shooting, same approach. In fact many here credit our good start bc of flukey good offense! 😂

Whether it’s how we budget, how we practice, something. We can’t keep carrying the worst offense in the league no matter how good the defense is .
 
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NCAAsorBust

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Yeah idk what we’re even debating. Right now we have another losing record in the BE largely bc the offense is inept over 13 games. Is anyone really going defend that? And it’s inept bc of how it’s structured and the style of play. It needs improvement. It’s systemic now; different rosters, same poor shooting, same approach. In fact many here credit our good start bc of flukey good offense! 😂

Whether it’s how we budget, how we practice, something. We can’t keep carrying the worst offense in the league no matter how good the defense is .
Let them keep debating stupidity. It’s fun to read. They are debating a technicality. Someone basically said don’t expect 3 point shooters because this guy didn’t recruit them. Then one guy went back in the archives and said see look guys there was a guy. Remember the first guy he recruited that guy could shoot the 3.

these guys are missing the forest through the trees. We’re 16-8 which in a normal year has a big east team in the tournament at this point. Our next 3 games are against teams currently 4-9. A good team would be feeling good about their chances of getting to 19-8. I’d be shocked if anyone feels confident about that. That’s the level of basketball we’re playing. We’re playing at th same level as them. But yeah let’s debate a technicality of whether 0, 1 or 2 recruits could hit the 3 over the course of 25-30 recruits we’ve brought in
 
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Halldan

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We have $6 million or so, apparently about $2.5 million short of Nova and of course $4 or $5 million shy of Johnnie's. Im sure UConn in vicinity of Johnnie's.

I'm sure if we are in the middle, but if so doing better than most of the other middle of the pack BE NIL schools record-wise (so far) this year.

Sha is a good coach. He is stubborn and he must elevate the offense with better shooters or insist the school give a bump up in NIL to attract good shooters.
From what I am hearing....$6M isn't going to cut in if you want to compete for the NCAA tournament. The new figure seems to be about $8M. A figure that Rutgers will have next season. They for sure from my info and I assume SJU and many others are going to pay a fortune for Hines and Holloway's recent use of him isn't helping one bit for his hopeful return.
 

shu67

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Yeah idk what we’re even debating. Right now we have another losing record in the BE largely bc the offense is inept over 13 games. Is anyone really going defend that? And it’s inept bc of how it’s structured and the style of play. It needs improvement. It’s systemic now; different rosters, same poor shooting, same approach. In fact many here credit our good start bc of flukey good offense! 😂

Whether it’s how we budget, how we practice, something. We can’t keep carrying the worst offense in the league no matter how good the defense is .
The reality is just a couple of made free throws and most of this negative posting would not happen and there would be major optimism. That's life on this forum.
 
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NCAAsorBust

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The reality is just a couple of made free throws and most of this negative posting would not happen and there would be major optimism. That's life on this forum.
Very true, but a couple of teams who could handle a press and we’d be 2-11.
 
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shu67

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But they did not! And if we made a few more 3's we would be in 3rd place in the BE! Maybe second!
 
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SPK145

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The topic is about the coach's refusal to use the 3pt shot in his offense and the absence of shooters on his rosters. Another poster brought up Dawes. But since you did again, yes, his shooting percentage was slightly lower at Seton Hall than it was at Clemson. Even the poster who brought him up posted his numbers. Last time I checked, the number 38 is lower than 39. Maybe you disagree?
This is so disingenuous of you.

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Nobody would think this is anything but VERY consistent. Consistently consistent.

We get it, you hate Sha and it has nothing to do with basketball. That's your right but it's easy to see right through it. From once great poster to now a troll.
 

hbkmyr

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From what I am hearing....$6M isn't going to cut in if you want to compete for the NCAA tournament. The new figure seems to be about $8M. A figure that Rutgers will have next season. They for sure from my info and I assume SJU and many others are going to pay a fortune for Hines and Holloway's recent use of him isn't helping one bit for his hopeful return.
Can’t see him coming back.
 

JTSHU

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From what I am hearing....$6M isn't going to cut in if you want to compete for the NCAA tournament. The new figure seems to be about $8M. A figure that Rutgers will have next season. They for sure from my info and I assume SJU and many others are going to pay a fortune for Hines and Holloway's recent use of him isn't helping one bit for his hopeful return.
Lets say we have 8-10m. Can u even pay hines 20 to 25% of the budget? If u do he better get12-15 shots a game
 

NCAAsorBust

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We get it, you hate Sha and it has nothing to do with basketball. That's your right but it's easy to see right through it. From once great poster to now a troll.
I don't get this "feelings hour" type mentality. I love this coach, I hate this coach....nobody cares about anyone's feelings here so who gives a crap? Are they doing the job or not? We're literally fighting down to the wire with everybody. We had CT and SJU in the the final minute and blew it. Obviously not the desired outcome, but you like to see that we belong with those teams. We're down double digits to bottom of the barrel, underperforming crappy big east teams too. What the hell is that? What I find frustrating is our basketball IQ always seems low. And I can't fully blame that on Sha, you get guys for 1 year now. You can't turn low IQ into high IQ in one year. That never happened before the annual portal entry and it's not happening now. Our defense is our calling card and we're getting abused in the half court every game. However that's the world we live in now and if you want to make that kind of money, that's now part of the job. When we press we look like national champs. We played straight up half court defense at the end and got outscored 16-5 in the final 3:15. We're down 10-15 most games until we press. I actually like ugly, mucked up, hard nosed basketball, but to do that you have to play solid D in the half court and we're terrible at it.
 

HallGuy2323

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From what I am hearing....$6M isn't going to cut in if you want to compete for the NCAA tournament. The new figure seems to be about $8M. A figure that Rutgers will have next season. They for sure from my info and I assume SJU and many others are going to pay a fortune for Hines and Holloway's recent use of him isn't helping one bit for his hopeful return.
If we lose Hines over a lack of playing time it is a fireable offense for Shaheen
 

dehere23

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From what I am hearing....$6M isn't going to cut in if you want to compete for the NCAA tournament. The new figure seems to be about $8M. A figure that Rutgers will have next season. They for sure from my info and I assume SJU and many others are going to pay a fortune for Hines and Holloway's recent use of him isn't helping one bit for his hopeful return.
Wild how the SJU boogeyman gets brought up with Hines when they weren’t even involved in his recruitment as far as I understand. Kansas bailed, NC State made a big push that we beat and I believe RU and Indiana were involved. I posted on our boards he was coming in March of last year before anyone did because I heard it directly from a source and not once was SJU mentioned in the recruitment.
 
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NYShoreGuy

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Any chance sha would recruit brady's son now a senior at Riverdale country school...maybe future NIL partnerships with Bridget the mom
 

Piratz

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The reality is just a couple of made free throws and most of this negative posting would not happen and there would be major optimism. That's life on this forum.

Very true, but a couple of teams who could handle a press and we’d be 2-11.
But this is the nature of things with a team like this. When you have one side of the ball inept and another side of the ball outstanding, you have a razor thin margin for error. That’s why you want more balance for better outcomes over the course of the season than what we’re seeing right now.

**Imagine if we had a LITTLE 3PT shooting? But you must bring in guys who can hit it or have some guru who improves shots.

**Imagine if, in BE play, we shot FT’s as well as we did in the non-con?

**And we also commit way too many turnovers on offense. It undermines what we do defensively a lot. Those got worse too. We make so many DUMB plays. How many times do we botch basic things? Also, in two big spots against St. John’s and Creighton Clark gave up a pick-6, things like that. We throw the ball away often.

**Imagine if we could use our highly skilled center to run more offensive options and create space?

All the above got worse because we don’t have options. That’s why we’re 6-7.
 

shu67

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Piratz all true and yet we still have a chance at a winning BE record and 20 wins! Seems crazy but it is there for the taking. Compared to last season the results are astounding so far even at 6-7..
 
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Piratz

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Piratz all true and yet we still have a chance at a winning BE record and 20 wins! Seems crazy but it is there for the taking. Compared to last season the results are astounding so far even at 6-7..
And we’re seeing what we’re lacking bt being mediocre in a down league vs NCAAT.

Glaringly so.
 

NCAAsorBust

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But this is the nature of things with a team like this. When you have one side of the ball inept and another side of the ball outstanding, you have a razor thin margin for error. That’s why you want more balance for better outcomes over the course of the season than what we’re seeing right now.

**Imagine if we had a LITTLE 3PT shooting? But you must bring in guys who can hit it or have some guru who improves shots.

**Imagine if, in BE play, we shot FT’s as well as we did in the non-con?

**And we also commit way too many turnovers on offense. It undermines what we do defensively a lot. Those got worse too. We make so many DUMB plays. How many times do we botch basic things? Also, in two big spots against St. John’s and Creighton Clark gave up a pick-6, things like that. We throw the ball away often.

**Imagine if we could use our highly skilled center to run more offensive options and create space?

All the above got worse because we don’t have options. That’s why we’re 6-7.
The if's shu67 presents are all positive, but there are also negative ifs and he leaves them out. Let's just be balanced and recognize both. Yes we have a razor thin margin and it's a razor thin against complete horseshit. I'd love to imagine better 3 point shooting. I'd love to imagine better free throw shooting. I'd also love to imagine 7 big east teams fighting for a spot in the tournament. Here's reality our 3 point shooting is mostly cold. Our free throw shooting hasn't been good in conference. And the big east has a bunch of teams ranked between 76 and 110 in NET with no chance of making the tournament. Wednesday is a quad 3 home game and I feel that game is a toss up. But it is ok because we won 7 games last year.
 

PhishingPirate088

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Any chance sha would recruit brady's son now a senior at Riverdale country school...maybe future NIL partnerships with Bridget the mom
I have said a few times joking but maybe not really joking we should hire Mad Dog Russo’s son as an assistant

Brings NIL and some media attention automatically
 

PhishingPirate088

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What NIL would Mad Dogs son bring in. We need a great Xs & Os guy desperately.
You don’t think his dad donates to the program? Also he talks about northern Arizona weekly

We can’t afford a great X’s and O’s guy anyway and not too many guys want to come here to be with Sha

It’s a worth it outside the box hire