The Next Two Years are Free

[Shelby65]

Vedral’s injury occurred during the first scrimmage and was the result of an overzealous freshman DL hitting him when he had a no contact jersey on.

Vedral was QB1 without a doubt. The media is always going to publish stuff to the contrary. You know like Reiber was going to be the starting 4 on last year’s basketball team…lol.

What no one talks about is how with 3 weeks before the BC game that Gleeson couldn’t prepare another QB to be the starter. The rotating QB nonsense should have been an immediate red flag if we knew the actual timeline of Vedral’s injury.

And if you are wondering where the information came from I asked Richie in a premium thread and he gave us that information.

Now we can’t say with any certainty if his presence would have made a world of difference on the final record given the bad OL play that haunted the team all year. All we can point to is that he would have delivered better balls to the WRs and run the offense more efficiently.

NV Our QB1 (not saying much) but not a legit FBS QB1 in reality. Couldn’t throw the ball 20 yards in the air, couldn’t reach the sideline from the opposite hash, couldn’t throw 10 yard slants etc. Only value was fewer turnovers in Non-1aaaaaaaa Wagner type games but in Schiano’s eyes the goal was to punt every possession and pin opponents deep.

 

[Mr_Twister]

Thought this thread is an offer for The Round Table..

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

NV Our QB1 (not saying much) but not a legit FBS QB1 in reality. Couldn’t throw the ball 20 yards in the air, couldn’t reach the sideline from the opposite hash, etc. Only value was fewer turnovers in Non-1aaaaaaaa Wagner games but in Schiano’s eyes the goal was to punt every possession and pin opponents deep.

Thank you for exhibiting how little you've actually watched. Every QB in 2.0 has been hampered by poor OL execution. That's not on the QBs it's on the coaching staff for failing to recruit guys early on that could contribute. The 2023 season will be no different.

But without a doubt you will continue to spout incorrect generalizations because you know little about football.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

No mention of the TD totals because it wasn’t necessary for him to throw a high volume of TDs for us to pick up 2 more wins. We were a team that favored the run game. We needed more first downs and less turnovers to pick up those extra 2 wins. I believe Noah provided that.

Regarding your yardage per game comment - let’s start with that it’s largely unfair to focus only on his output in the last 6 games and assume he would perform that way as compared to how he performed in the first 7 games (which included games against ranked OSU, Michigan and Michigan State teams). In the first 7 games he was not banged up, had a healthy Sutton through Michigan, had a healthy O’Neal through a good portion of the games - I don’t remember when that injury was but O’Neal didn’t come back nearly the same, and he had AC as a target and a blocker. Do you not think there’s any correlation in his stats and the loss of these players as the season went on?

In the first 7 games, Noah put up less than 150 yards twice, and that was only the case in the Temple game (138) because we unloaded our bench. We actually won the other game (Syracuse he had 145 yards in that one). Oh yeah - in 2020 he put up 130+ yards in every game but the last 2 (again indicating a pattern of being beaten down by late season). This may not sound like much but when you check out how often his replacements gave us 130+ it changes the picture.

So yes - Noah consistently gave us more average yards than his replacements throughout his career when healthy. But even that doesn’t tell the full story as it relates to what our team needed last year since those numbers obviously reflect Noah’s lack of a long ball. Evan and Gavin threw a couple big passes each that inflated their numbers (mostly in meaningless situations but that’s also besides the point). Those comparative yards undercut the significance of Noah’s yards that were picked up in short or midrange pass plays where he’d pick up 4-5 yards. That’s what we needed to deflect attention off of Sam Brown and control time of possession. Someone reliable enough to make those simple passes. We didn’t have that.

Vedral didn’t have the best skillset, but he gave us leadership decision making, and maturity, intangibles a young team needs. On the field, he gave us accuracy.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

After last years clueless proclamations about the OL you should refrain from making any statements about them.

Even with Flats here, this is likely the 2nd worst or the worst OL of 2.0. We have to watch and see if any of the ‘22 guys start getting reps as many of the current OL are out of eligibility over the next two years.

It’s sad that Greg admitted that the guys in the trenches needed to be improved when he was hired and didn’t focus on the offensive side until last year with transfers. And most didn’t meet expectations. Then they didn’t even land one from the portal this year. If the ‘22 class doesn’t pan out with at least 3 B1G level starters Greg is done because the offense will be set back another 2-3 years.

Greg thought he could shortcut the building process with transfers, which didn’t work out, though it did get us a bowl we backed into in ‘21.

This OL hasn’t taken the field yet, and if Sutton plays, it has a chance to be the best of the 2.0 era. Willie and Dunlap really struggled last year, and if Dunlap can take a big step forward the line has the opportunity to do likewise. The ‘22 Class probably isn’t going to see significant field action till next year, though they will probably serve as quality depth this year.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

I agree! We don't need optimism or pessimism. We need reality. We may have a better record this year. We may have worse. But it is not acceptable to say after 4 years not to expect anything for another two. That is the issue for most in this thread.

In the portal generation, you do not have to wait 5 years to turn over the roster. It can be done in 1 or 2 years. The issue is that offense once again was not and is not the priority. And you you only win games when you put points on the board.

Not feasible to turn over the roster using transfers because we cannot get as many quality transfers as we’d need. Schiano said he is going to use the transfer portal judiciously, as a way to fill holes, and the right way to go about. Our biggest growth is going to come from the development of high school kids. This is why this build is going to take longer.

The offense is two more impact players from being good. Get us WR1 and TE1 and we’re good to go. RB1 and QB1 are already in place. If Jackson and Bowman can be especially productive, we will go bowling this year.

 

[Shelby65]

Thank you for exhibiting how little you've actually watched. Every QB in 2.0 has been hampered by poor OL execution. That's not on the QBs it's on the coaching staff for failing to recruit guys early on that could contribute. The 2023 season will be no different.

But without a doubt you will continue to spout incorrect generalizations because you know little about football.

False. You know as well as everyone else that NV was only a barely functioning game manager without FBS talent, yes coupled with other deficiencies the offense was Pop Warner level. He was better than Langan, but who cares. It is 100% true the only reason Schiano preferred him was because the goal of our offense was only to handoff 3 times and then have Korsak punt. Fortunately, BC caved on the last drive and we won (yes Wimsatt I know) but overall it’s a pathetic philosophy necessitated by going with an untalented guy when he wasn’t hurt. Moxie isn’t talent. Look up his stats.

Look also at our commitment lists. That’s all you need to know about Schiano’s reputation for offense.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

False. You know as well as everyone else that NV was only a barely functioning game manager without FBS talent, yes coupled with other deficiencies the offense was Pop Warner level. He was better than Langan, but who cares. It is 100% true the only reason Schiano preferred him was because the goal of our offense was only to handoff 3 times and then have Korsak punt. Fortunately, BC caved on the last drive and we won (yes Wimsatt I know) but overall it’s a pathetic philosophy necessitated by going with an untalented guy when he wasn’t hurt. Moxie isn’t talent. Look up his stats.

Look also at our commitment lists. That’s all you need to know about Schiano’s reputation for offense.

“Barely functioning” and all, at full strength Vedral would’ve been a massive upgrade over what we had. We needed 2 more wins to get to a bowl. We wouldn’t have lost Nebraska with Vedral. Really hard to argue otherwise as Evan literally gave that game to them. So we’d have needed one more game to go our way. The trajectory of the whole season would’ve been different if Nebraska wasn’t a loss. Gleason probably wouldn’t have been fired either.

 

[yessir321]

Boosters have decendents. That’s the whole idea of maintaining legacies. Without booster support, Deion wasn’t taking the job. Travis Hunter wasn’t going to Colorado for tiddlywinks.

Oh my god Al, first of all if you live under the delusion that descendants kids spend their inheritances on Colorado football prior to prime I again have beachfront property in Kansas for you.

Did you see the introduction press conference from their AD when he announced prime? He was asked point blank where the money came from, he told them point blank ‘We don’t have it, we know what’s coming as a result of coach prime’

THAT is how you shift donors and bring them back. But you see RetardAl lives in this delusion that we should judge football based on how it worked 20-30 years ago.

Al, please don’t throw yourself off the Verrazano the day Greg is fired the way it’s starting to look like you might. It’s not worth it buddy

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

Oh my god Al, first of all if you live under the delusion that descendants kids spend their inheritances on Colorado football prior to prime I again have beachfront property in Kansas for you.

Did you see the introduction press conference from their AD when he announced prime? He was asked point blank where the money came from, he told them point blank ‘We don’t have it, we know what’s coming as a result of coach prime’

THAT is how you shift donors and bring them back. But you see RetardAl lives in this delusion that we should judge football based on how it worked 20-30 years ago.

Al, please don’t throw yourself off the Verrazano the day Greg is fired the way it’s starting to look like you might. It’s not worth it buddy

I guess your rooting for Temple and Wagner. Because he’s not getting fired before the completion of the 2024 season absent an upset to one of those types of teams. He’s going to get the chance to pull things together with a new QB if Wimsatt doesn’t work out.

In summary, to get fired the following scenerios would first have to happen a) Wimsatt fails. Then we bring in a new QB and 2024 is an epic disaster too. Maybe then he gets canned before the start of 2025 - but no sooner. b) he loses a Temple type game the way Ash lost to Buffalo. An embarrassing loss like that might do it on emotional impulse. Getting rid of him on the spot the way Gleason was cut. I don’t think losing to Temple this year would even do it though unless we lose out conference play too. He would be fired if we lose to Wagner. But that won’t happen.

That’s what it would take.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

Greg thought he could shortcut the building process with transfers, which didn’t work out, though it did get us a bowl we backed into in ‘21.

This OL hasn’t taken the field yet, and if Sutton plays, it has a chance to be the best of the 2.0 era. Willie and Dunlap really struggled last year, and if Dunlap can take a big step forward the line has the opportunity to do likewise. The ‘22 Class probably isn’t going to see significant field action till next year, though they will probably serve as quality depth this year.

Al take a reality check, Sutton alone isn’t going to vastly improve the OL. And he wasn’t on the spring two deep. I asked Richie about that & he said he won’t play much. Could things change? Of course, but given that some described the knee injury as gruesome it’s probably a major miracle he’s even able to practice again.

As for the rest of the OL:

Pierce - big risk moving him to LT. If he could play the position they would have moved him last year and put Tyler back at his natural RT position. However, there’s no depth so I suspect Pierce is taking one for the team. I just hope it doesn’t ruin whatever small NFL chance he has.

Brown - not physical enough to play in the B1G. DCs started targeting him around midseason last year and it got ugly. Unfortunately Zilinkas may also be similar.

Dunlap & Ciaffoni - should be backups but lack of depth means they will play a lot of snaps. The Achilles injury really destroyed Dunlap’s career.

Asamoah - need to see how much stronger he got. Has the frame but got pushed around as a true freshman.

Needham - total unknown that has never flashed but is the starting RT. This could get any of the QBs killed or he does okay. The boom/bust potential here is significant. Again, lack of depth is forcing this. Greg played his cards wrong in the portal by taking so long to hire KC.

And please don’t start with Flats will fix them. That’s asking too much. Flats is here to get the young guys ready because a lot of these guys start losing eligibility over the next two years.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Oh my god Al, first of all if you live under the delusion that descendants kids spend their inheritances on Colorado football prior to prime I again have beachfront property in Kansas for you.

Did you see the introduction press conference from their AD when he announced prime? He was asked point blank where the money came from, he told them point blank ‘We don’t have it, we know what’s coming as a result of coach prime’

THAT is how you shift donors and bring them back. But you see RetardAl lives in this delusion that we should judge football based on how it worked 20-30 years ago.

Al, please don’t throw yourself off the Verrazano the day Greg is fired the way it’s starting to look like you might. It’s not worth it buddy

Colorado has big time donors and we don’t. They’ve always had them and to suggest Prime created big time donors is frankly ludicrous. Schiano isn’t getting fired because he has a plan which works and which the AD has bought into. Our recruiting alone is why Schiano will be here a very long time. He’s getting high potential recruits from Florida and North Carolina. Any other coach would have been dead in the water like Ash after three years.

 

[Shelby65]

“Barely functioning” and all, at full strength Vedral would’ve been a massive upgrade over what we had. We needed 2 more wins to get to a bowl. We wouldn’t have lost Nebraska with Vedral. Really hard to argue otherwise as Evan literally gave that game to them. So we’d have needed one more game to go our way. The trajectory of the whole season would’ve been different if Nebraska wasn’t a loss. Gleason probably wouldn’t have been fired either.

This is the classic, pathetic and all too common RU apologism response. You all shouldn’t be comparing NV to other RU QBs. Compare to actual bona fide, legit college QBs. NV, Wimsatt, whoever: Rutgers has not had the better QB in any game that you can remember, including the Wagner game and the Temple game (frosh Warner’s first start).

That must be the comparison. Look at stats and look at the opposing QBs. When has our QB been better than the other guy ? Never. NV is gutsy but offers nothing more at the position. Just like Langan.

Big picture, so far it looks like Wimsatt was another miss and Schiano’s toxic offense recruiting reputation continues.

 

[kupuna133]

Not feasible to turn over the roster using transfers because we cannot get as many quality transfers as we’d need. Schiano said he is going to use the transfer portal judiciously, as a way to fill holes, and the right way to go about. Our biggest growth is going to come from the development of high school kids. This is why this build is going to take longer.

The offense is two more impact players from being good. Get us WR1 and TE1 and we’re good to go. RB1 and QB1 are already in place. If Jackson and Bowman can be especially productive, we will go bowling this year.

It absolutely is feasible to turn the roster over. Many programs with less to offer have done so. Schiano has said the problem is depth. You are under the delusion that everyone is a blue chipper asking for a huge NIL deal. They are not. We need people that are better than our 2's and 3's that can develop into 1's. But when you strike out there are issues in the ability to attract talent.

The offense is not 2 impact players away. The issue is not all skill position players. It is a serviceable line with depth. We do not have QB1. Wimsatt may have improved, my hope he has, but from what I saw in the spring game the issues are still there. The QB room is razor thin. we need at least 2 more heads in that room. Not worried about TE. Konopka, Bowman and Langan will be fine.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

This is the classic, pathetic and all too common RU apologism response. You all shouldn’t be comparing NV to other RU QBs. Compare to actual bona fide, legit college QBs. NV, Wimsatt, whoever: Rutgers has not had the better QB in any game that you can remember, including the Wagner game and the Temple game (frosh Warner’s first start).

That must be the comparison. Look at stats and look at the opposing QBs. When has our QB been better than the other guy ? Never. NV is gutsy but offers nothing more at the position. Just like Langan.

Big picture, so far it looks like Wimsatt was another miss and Schiano’s toxic offense recruiting reputation continues.

Healthy NV offered more than what we had last year at the QB position. There’s nothing “apologetic” about saying that. He turns the ball over materially less and completes short passes with accuracy. It’s not really debatable to say otherwise. That alone made him a much better option for last season, and the fact that he’s still not a good QB is irrelevant to the point that we would’ve made it to 6 wins last season with Noah playing. The argument is that he was good enough for that (and specifically that). Nothing more.

The bottom line is but for a fluke injury, we
were set up pretty well to make a bowl in year 3 of a rebuild that included a Covid year. I’m not saying Schiano has been great - but those of you who hate him are making it out like things have been far worse than they’ve actually been.

 

[Shelby65]

PSAL…you just reiterated what I’d been saying. He’s not a good quarterback. Further, he was at the very bottom of the college ‘talent pool’, finding playing time at his third school. Being the best among a illegitimate stable of QBs doesn’t exonerate him or Schiano.

I say again, Rutgers has not had the better QB in any 2.0 game. This would also have been the case if he was never injured. He simply did not remotely have D1 talent. Funny how Schiano looked past that and played him anyway.

Who cares if he’s the best we had.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

PSAL…you just reiterated what I’d been saying. He’s not a good quarterback. Further, he was at the very bottom of the college ‘talent pool’, finding playing time at his third school. Being the best among a illegitimate stable of QBs doesn’t exonerate him or Schiano.

I say again, Rutgers has not had the better QB in any 2.0 game. This would also have been the case if he was never injured. He simply did not remotely have D1 talent. Funny how Schiano looked past that and played him anyway.

Who cares if he’s the best we had.

Numb nuts, who have a significant deficit along the OL regardless of what Al has claimed all these years. No decent QB was coming here to get their head knocked off their shoulders. You should appreciate that Noah was willing to risk his health playing behind the crap we've been putting out there as his protection instead of trashing him.

But you're one of those pathetic keyboard warriors that has no clue. We get it, you have life issues that require you do this to feel better about yourself. Russian roulette may be a good game for you.

 

[DJ Spanky]

“Barely functioning” and all, at full strength Vedral would’ve been a massive upgrade over what we had.

Unfortunately there are people who just hate Schiano and won't listen to reason in any facet of the team so far.

Losing Vedral really hurt us last year, we were building the offense around him, his skillset and his decision making. Wimsatt wasn't ready, and the plan was to ease him in early in the season with him gradually taking over as the season went on. The view was always towards the future with him.

 

[kupuna133]

Unfortunately there are people who just hate Schiano and won't listen to reason in any facet of the team so far.

Losing Vedral really hurt us last year, we were building the offense around him, his skillset and his decision making. Wimsatt wasn't ready, and the plan was to ease him in early in the season with him gradually taking over as the season went on. The view was always towards the future with him.

Agree. But I do not think many people(outside of the trolls) hate Schiano. Plan was turned upside down last year. The real issue was none of the QB's, Wimsatt, Simon or to a lesser extent Langan, were allowed to get comfortable. The constant rotation of QB's in that opening game was nerve wracking. 3 Qb's under center on the first drive. I could only imagine what practice looked like. When you lose your starting QB pre season, you better focus on making your backup ready for action with the most reps available. Not splitting reps 3 ways. I have high hopes for Wimsatt and SImon. But they will only go as far as where the OL can take them.

 

[brgRC90]

Unfortunately there are people who just hate Schiano and won't listen to reason in any facet of the team so far.

Losing Vedral really hurt us last year, we were building the offense around him, his skillset and his decision making. Wimsatt wasn't ready, and the plan was to ease him in early in the season with him gradually taking over as the season went on. The view was always towards the future with him.

I don't see anyone who hates Schiano. I have no feelings about him personally since I don't know him. They just don't think he will ever succeed at much.

 

[gtbb3115]

Colorado has big time donors and we don’t. They’ve always had them and to suggest Prime created big time donors is frankly ludicrous. Schiano isn’t getting fired because he has a plan which works and which the AD has bought into. Our recruiting alone is why Schiano will be here a very long time. He’s getting high potential recruits from Florida and North Carolina. Any other coach would have been dead in the water like Ash after three years.

Those high potential recruits are tied for 3rd worse in the Big10

 

[LETSGORU91_]

Al, if the next two years are free (which I'd assume the past three are free as well)...

WHY IS IT COSTING ME SO DAMN MUCH !?!?!?!?!

 

[DJ Spanky]

I don't see anyone who hates Schiano.

I do, or, rather, who absolutely hated his hire. Because I'm so involved here I actually have a list of who they are. They're very consistent in how they criticize everything he does or everything that happens to the program that they'll link to him. I am certainly not giving him a free pass: unlike the OP I feel he really needs to show improvement this year and next, or his seat should start getting uncomfortably warm.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Those high potential recruits are tied for 3rd worse in the Big10

What actually matters is where they get drafted.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Al, if the next two years are free (which I'd assume the past three are free as well)...

WHY IS IT COSTING ME SO DAMN MUCH !?!?!?!?!

Because your support is a needed investment in the program.

 

[Tom_PSU]

I do, or, rather, who absolutely hated his hire. Because I'm so involved here I actually have a list of who they are. They're very consistent in how they criticize everything he does or everything that happens to the program that they'll link to him. I am certainly not giving him a free pass: unlike the OP I feel he really needs to show improvement this year and next, or his seat should start getting uncomfortably warm.

Every coach has a few virulent detractors who often become irrational. So Schiano is not unique in that regard. In today’s college football landscape showing definitive progress in year four of a rebuild is a reasonable expectation. There are five realistic winnable games on the schedule. In those games RU will have superior talent. Steal one of the other seven and your bowling. Anything less than five wins should raise serious concerns from any rational person about the direction of the program.

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

PSAL…you just reiterated what I’d been saying. He’s not a good quarterback. Further, he was at the very bottom of the college ‘talent pool’, finding playing time at his third school. Being the best among a illegitimate stable of QBs doesn’t exonerate him or Schiano.

I say again, Rutgers has not had the better QB in any 2.0 game. This would also have been the case if he was never injured. He simply did not remotely have D1 talent. Funny how Schiano looked past that and played him anyway.

Who cares if he’s the best we had.

You keep posting things like this. But they have nothing to do with my point (literally the only thing I was getting at in discussing Noah) which was that we would have won 6 games and gone to a bowl last season if he hadn’t suffered that injury. Season 3 bowl game - 1st year was a Covid year.

Noah probably would’ve taken us to a bowl the prior year (year 2) too if we had not lost 2 of our best linemen and AC. So no, he wasn’t great but he was good enough to lead a halfway decent team to a bowl game.

 

[Shelby65]

i hate the hire and the mind blowing 8 years, and therefore hate the coach.

No issue with the person or his character but we know by now that obviously doesn’t further recruiting or winning one iota. I’d hate the Pope as our coach too if he had the same results.

 

[MADHAT1]

I'm more of a believer after seeing this.

Rutgers Football: Too-early schedule prediction for 2023 season​

>Here is how the 2023 season could play out for the Scarlet Knights.<
"Yes, there will be games that Rutgers plays that it will be huge underdogs. There is a handful of games in the loss column already but there are also many swing games. There will be plenty of chances to talk yourself into a win from now until the opener against Northwestern."
https://www.onthebanks.com/2023/6/2...too-early-schedule-prediction-for-2023-season

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

Every coach has a few virulent detractors who often become irrational. So Schiano is not unique in that regard. In today’s college football landscape showing definitive progress in year four of a rebuild is a reasonable expectation. There are five realistic winnable games on the schedule. In those games RU will have superior talent. Steal one of the other seven and your bowling. Anything less than five wins should raise serious concerns from any rational person about the direction of the program.

Anything less than five wins should not raise serious concerns from any rational person about the direction of the program, because any rational person should understand there are serious talent deficits with other Big Ten programs that need to be resolved. This is why Schiano got an 8 year contract. Because we are trying to resolve deficits with players who require development, so things shouldn’t be expected to happen overnight.

This is the first year we have enough talent and quality depth to maintain a competitive defense. Now, there is recruiting focus on the offense to get things rectified there. It looks like the ‘24 Class will resolve any remaining talent deficits with most the big ten, save for the elite like Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan. So now all we need is the patience to let this class get on campus, acclimate for one year, and then we’ll be ready to go in ‘25.

 

[Retired711]

The more I think about this thread, the more outraged I am by the idea that the next two years should be "free." Perhaps we won't make a bowl game this year, but there should be progress e.g., an offense with a better ranking than last year and fewer blowouts --- particularly not blowouts by teams like Maryland and Minnesota. While I have my problems with Schiano, he is a competitor and would never accept the idea that the next two years are "free."

 

[Shelby65]

711-Of course he wouldn’t say it, but he’s got another 20 million and at least 4 years. To him, it’s actually all free for half a decade.

 

[Retired711]

711-Of course he wouldn’t say it, but he’s got another 20 million and at least 4 years. To him, it’s actually all free for half a decade.

I have a much higher opinion of Greg Schiano than that.

 

[Shelby65]

I have a much higher opinion of Greg Schiano than that.

I know you’ve heard the expression ‘laughing all the way to the bank.’

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

The more I think about this thread, the more outraged I am by the idea that the next two years should be "free." Perhaps we won't make a bowl game this year, but there should be progress e.g., an offense with a better ranking than last year and fewer blowouts --- particularly not blowouts by teams like Maryland and Minnesota. While I have my problems with Schiano, he is a competitor and would never accept the idea that the next two years are "free."

Yes - no doubt it was a bad choice of words. Al, you really should revise it as so many folks are taking what you said completely out of context.

 

[RUforlife]

I do, or, rather, who absolutely hated his hire. Because I'm so involved here I actually have a list of who they are. They're very consistent in how they criticize everything he does or everything that happens to the program that they'll link to him. I am certainly not giving him a free pass: unlike the OP I feel he really needs to show improvement this year and next, or his seat should start getting uncomfortably warm.

First, anything that can be construed as remotely positive about the program Schiano is given almost all the credit by his loyal supporters, so if that is the case, then his supporters need to stop crying when he is held accountable for the negative aspects of the program.

Second, it is very apparent that for a good portion, not all, but a good majority, of the Schiano supporters their first loyalty is to Greg Schiano and not Rutgers. The vast majority of the posters who criticize Schiano would be supporting him if he won games, really that simple. Win and everybody loves the coach.

Third, the posters that troll Schiano the worst are those that supposedly support him the most, they lavish undue praise on him for taking a crap in the morning and then invite other loyal Rutgers fans to point out their fanatical and irrational support of the man. Al is Schiano's biggest troll, this thread is evidence of that, 17 pages and counting of having great Rutgers fans pointing out all of Greg's faults that would not have been even mentioned if he simply didn't start such a ludicrous thread.

 

[MADHAT1]

Yes - no doubt it was a bad choice of words. Al, you really should revise it as so many folks are taking what you said completely out of context.

free was a bad choice of words, next 2 years need to show signs of hope would have been better. in my opinion.
As for me: showing vast improvement over last year and bringing back the hope fans had after year 2 is needed for year 4.
Year 5 a winning record and 2nd bowl apperance in the G2 era, this time based on a winning record ( or 6-6) not a lower record qualification like before and because of academics.

 

[yessir321]

Colorado has big time donors and we don’t. They’ve always had them and to suggest Prime created big time donors is frankly ludicrous. Schiano isn’t getting fired because he has a plan which works and which the AD has bought into. Our recruiting alone is why Schiano will be here a very long time. He’s getting high potential recruits from Florida and North Carolina. Any other coach would have been dead in the water like Ash after three years.

So you know better than their AD? Because that is the exact opposite of what he had to say…

You’re wrong Al. I know it’s impossible for you to admit, but you’re flat out wrong. No Colorado did NOT have the boosters you are suggesting, they threw a Hail Mary hoping it would work out and fortunately for them Prime is Doug Flutie.

The ‘Any other coach’ retort is comical. I can’t help but think of Chris Crocker when you describe schiano, you crying in your bed while your mascara drips down your face, ‘LEAVE GREGGY ALONE!!!!!’ Though I do think you should pursue a career in politics because you simply refuse to admit when you are wrong.

Al, no one is agreeing with you, you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[yessir321]

I guess your rooting for Temple and Wagner. Because he’s not getting fired before the completion of the 2024 season absent an upset to one of those types of teams. He’s going to get the chance to pull things together with a new QB if Wimsatt doesn’t work out.

In summary, to get fired the following scenerios would first have to happen a) Wimsatt fails. Then we bring in a new QB and 2024 is an epic disaster too. Maybe then he gets canned before the start of 2025 - but no sooner. b) he loses a Temple type game the way Ash lost to Buffalo. An embarrassing loss like that might do it on emotional impulse. Getting rid of him on the spot the way Gleason was cut. I don’t think losing to Temple this year would even do it though unless we lose out conference play too. He would be fired if we lose to Wagner. But that won’t happen.

That’s what it would take.

If it means Schiano is gone then yea, I’m on the verge of rooting for temple. If that’s what it takes to finally do a proper coaching search, so be it. If that’s what it takes to get Greg Schiano 2.0 the hell away from my football team then let’s go temple!

I’m not satisfied with a failure for a coach, neither should you be

 

[PSAL_Hoops]

If it means Schiano is gone then yea, I’m on the verge of rooting for temple. If that’s what it takes to finally do a proper coaching search, so be it. If that’s what it takes to get Greg Schiano 2.0 the hell away from my football team then let’s go temple!

I’m not satisfied with a failure for a coach, neither should you be

For better or worse, I think that’s what it would take this year. We’d probably have to lose the NW game too.