Changing Bryce’s mechanics and getting him a QB Coach

Koy Detmer Jr. doesn't have much of a reason to be here otherwise, so I'd say he's pretty dedicated to Bryce.

HampshireBlue said:

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If I wasn’t horrendous with tech I’d link it, but on Bryce’s interception over the middle (not the throw away debacle, the one at mid field when we still had hope) he looked EXACTLY like Javy Baez trying to turn two while avoiding a takeout slide. The problem is that occurred when he had a clean pocket and 0 reason to do such a bizarre impersonation. Point being: by the end of the year, even when the protection held up, Bryce was totally free-styling and just slinging the ball around. That is not a sustainable recipe for success.

He throws off his back foot - ALOT, which causes the ball to sail a bit and steps in the bucket when he does throw. It's very tough to be consistently accurate when you do that all the time. I mean, how many times did we see a high throw?

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When Kyle Dillingham talks, I listen.

Can someone explain to me what is truly different plan wise? In 2025, UofM football had an OC with additional title of QB coach (Chip Lindsey) and also had an offensive analyst designated for QBs (Josh Sinagoga). In 2026, UofM football will have an OC with QB coach experience (Beck) an also have an offensive analyst designated for QBs (Koy Detmer Jr). Is it just that we view Beck/Detmer better than Lindsey/Sinagoga???

Chicagoalum2005 said:

Can someone explain to me what is truly different plan wise? In 2025, UofM football had an OC with additional title of QB coach (Chip Lindsey) and also had an offensive analyst designated for QBs (Josh Sinagoga). In 2026, UofM football will have an OC with QB coach experience (Beck) an also have an offensive analyst designated for QBs (Koy Detmer Jr). Is it just that we view Beck/Detmer better than Lindsey/Sinagoga???

My guess is how the will allocate their actual time, not like a title difference. This says it all, and you know this came straight from Bryce and retained coaches. He's not guessing: “First of all, from what I understand, there was no dedicated quarterback coach working with him on a daily basis, which has to happen,” Whittingham said. “You’ve got a young man, 17 years old, he didn’t turn 18 ’til like midseason, and so he’s a guy who really could’ve been in high school last year as far as his age.”

MaxRuns88 said:

If I wasn’t horrendous with tech I’d link it, but on Bryce’s interception over the middle (not the throw away debacle, the one at mid field when we still had hope) he looked EXACTLY like Javy Baez trying to turn two while avoiding a takeout slide. The problem is that occurred when he had a clean pocket and 0 reason to do such a bizarre impersonation. Point being: by the end of the year, even when the protection held up, Bryce was totally free-styling and just slinging the ball around. That is not a sustainable recipe for success.

You’ve clearly never been in that position before lol. That throw was when you started and wanted to stop but it was too late. As soon as he was going to throw it, he knew. That’s why he did what he did lol.

Chicagoalum2005 said:

Can someone explain to me what is truly different plan wise? In 2025, UofM football had an OC with additional title of QB coach (Chip Lindsey) and also had an offensive analyst designated for QBs (Josh Sinagoga). In 2026, UofM football will have an OC with QB coach experience (Beck) an also have an offensive analyst designated for QBs (Koy Detmer Jr). Is it just that we view Beck/Detmer better than Lindsey/Sinagoga???

According to Whittingham he was not receiving daily technical development. Sounds like Sinagoga was more of an analyst than a developer and doesn’t sound like Chip worked too closely with him. Even Moore admitted they needed to get an actual QB coach.

TShad29 said:

You’ve clearly never been in that position before lol. That throw was when you started and wanted to stop but it was too late. As soon as he was going to throw it, he knew. That’s why he did what he did lol.

You got me, I have never played quarterback for the university of Michigan. Guilty as charged.

MaxRuns88 said:

You got me, I have never played quarterback for the university of Michigan. Guilty as charged.

I just meant standing in the pocket, making a throw and as you’re releasing wanting to take it back. He threw his hands up to his head too before the ball was even intercepted. Don’t get me wrong, his mechanics have a lot of work to do, but that example is just a situation of him making a mistake and wanting to reel it back in.

TShad29 said:

You’ve clearly never been in that position before lol. That throw was when you started and wanted to stop but it was too late. As soon as he was going to throw it, he knew. That’s why he did what he did lol.

Exactly, his mechanics on air are fine. He wouldn’t have been the number 1 player in the country otherwise. Watching him throw on air, he has a solid base, gets his hips through, transfers weight well, shoulders stay level, quick release, etc…. but in game…he really started to not trust anything about his game. it’s like having a beautiful basketball shot shooting around but you get in game and can’t get open/take bad shots/shoot off balanced fadeaways etc

Urban saying “wow” in shock to last years staff not already having this in place is all you need to hear. Glad we have an experienced professional staff in place now.

6points said:

Exactly, his mechanics on air are fine. He wouldn’t have been the number 1 player in the country otherwise. Watching him throw on air, he has a solid base, gets his hips through, transfers weight well, shoulders stay level, quick release, etc…. but in game…he really started to not trust anything about his game. it’s like having a beautiful basketball shot shooting around but you get in game and can’t get open/take bad shots/shoot off balanced fadeaways etc

To me this comes down to coaching. He needs a constant correction in practice so that he’s constantly working on the mechanics. But I also don’t believe he trusted what he was seeing. From what I saw it didn’t feel like he was being coached well on reads and decisions. And that pretty much was an issue all season. Honestly, he did great in the Texas game until he actually had to read the defense and the coaching staff wasn’t able to scheme yards for him anymore. That’s partially on Bryce but without a QB coach helping with the mechanics I don’t have any confidence he was being visually taught through the reads either. I’ve heard Brees, Brady and Manning talk about this before, but they used to rep through progressions of all the route trees and drops. Paired with footwork and visualization. Bryce clearly didn’t do that and could use to. And I think this coaching staff will be in a great place to get him going.

I think people are overrating how much potential there is for the QB coach to “fix Bryce’s mechanics.”

I believe his ball position is too low and his elbow too high in relation. This leads to inaccuracy under pressure usually in the form of overthrows (see Lamar Jackson). When coupled with his propensity to back up and throw off back foot when pressured it leads to a lot of inaccurate throws in pressure situations. He has a big arm obviously and can throw against his body very well but I am hoping Detmer tweaks his motion and we get improved accuracy.

Who tf is Kyle Dillingham? Leave it to a dolt Nutguy fan to not even know your rivals coach's name.. no wonder they misspell Ohio every time

RUSMOKING said:

Koy Detmer Jr. doesn't have much of a reason to be here otherwise, so I'd say he's pretty dedicated to Bryce.

The two men have a HUGE opportunity working together.

He was compact and clean with his delivery early in the year. It broke down as the season went on. More pressure will do this but also there was clearly a lack of attention to detail as the season wore on. But as we all came to find out there was a lack of attention to detail in the entire program so

He needs to atop with all the different arm angles as well. There are times when it's needed but few and far between, stick to the traditional throwing motion

TShad29 said:

To me this comes down to coaching. He needs a constant correction in practice so that he’s constantly working on the mechanics. But I also don’t believe he trusted what he was seeing. From what I saw it didn’t feel like he was being coached well on reads and decisions. And that pretty much was an issue all season. Honestly, he did great in the Texas game until he actually had to read the defense and the coaching staff wasn’t able to scheme yards for him anymore. That’s partially on Bryce but without a QB coach helping with the mechanics I don’t have any confidence he was being visually taught through the reads either. I’ve heard Brees, Brady and Manning talk about this before, but they used to rep through progressions of all the route trees and drops. Paired with footwork and visualization. Bryce clearly didn’t do that and could use to. And I think this coaching staff will be in a great place to get him going.

That last paragraph is scary if they weren’t doing that stuff…my son plays QB and I coach/train youth/middl/high school QBs and QBs (the ones that want to be good anyways) basically have 2 practices daily during the season, they have QB practice/training for at least an hour then right after regular football practice with the team (with position specific work involved with that too) so if he wasn’t getting those things you mentioned then this coaching change the best thing to happen to BU

EpiWolv said:

I think people are overrating how much potential there is for the QB coach to “fix Bryce’s mechanics.”

It can’t hurt can it? They have nothing to lose. I think better O-line play will go a long way to helping some of his issues. But having someone work with him constantly can’t hurt.

6points said:

That last paragraph is scary if they weren’t doing that stuff…my son plays QB and I coach/train youth/middl/high school QBs and QBs (the ones that want to be good anyways) basically have 2 practices daily during the season, they have QB practice/training for at least an hour then right after regular football practice with the team (with position specific work involved with that too) so if he wasn’t getting those things you mentioned then this coaching change the best thing to happen to BU

Literally nothing points to it happening and the fact Moore said they needed a dedicated QB coach seems to be admitting as much. Nothing about his play on the field made me think it was happening. Maybe it was and he just wasn’t picking it up.

GoBlue73 said:

It can’t hurt can it? They have nothing to lose. I think better O-line play will go a long way to helping some of his issues. But having someone work with him constantly can’t hurt.

Agree, I think it’s a good idea, but I’d be somewhat measured about the effect this will have on his growth.

The most alarming part for me comes after a reexamination of how accurately Bryce was throwing the ball with zip at the start of the season compared to the end of the season. You can tell Whittingham agrees.