Big East COY

[HallGuy2323]

Planning criticism and negativity in advance. Impressive.

Where was the criticism or negativity? You are such a troll. You literally come on here once a month to argue with posters, you don’t provide context or reasoning for your posts and then you disappear for another month.

I stated his poor performance last year. That’s not criticism, it’s a fact. I stated a loss tomorrow would make this season go from decent to a disappointment. I don’t believe thats negativity.

FYI, this is a quote from Carino: “The unanimous selection was based on much more than the Pirates’ turnaround from last place to fourth, from seven wins to 20.”

I guess he also premeditated his article based on negativity…

 

[HallX2]

Nova was not $10 million, more like $9 million. And Providence was over that.

A source very close to Nova said it was over $10.

 

[HallX2]

Nova was not $10 million, more like $9 million. And Providence was over that.

Not what i heard from a well connected Nova alum who gives. But who knows. And clearly the Friars didn’t get their moneys worth.

 

[batts]

Where was the criticism or negativity? You are such a troll. You literally come on here once a month to argue with posters, you don’t provide context or reasoning for your posts and then you disappear for another month.

I stated his poor performance last year. That’s not criticism, it’s a fact. I stated a loss tomorrow would make this season go from decent to a disappointment. I don’t believe thats negativity.

FYI, this is a quote from Carino: “The unanimous selection was based on much more than the Pirates’ turnaround from last place to fourth, from seven wins to 20.”

I guess he also premeditated his article based on negativity…

Please, just stop with your nonsense. Instead of lauding his accomplishment or in the very least remaining silent, you instead clearly mplied that the the only reason Sha won COY was because of his dismal showing the prior year. You just can't bring yourself to say anything postive about Sha or the SHU.

 

[HallGuy2323]

Please, just stop with your nonsense. Instead of lauding his accomplishment or in the very least remaining silent, you instead clearly mplied that the the only reason Sha won COY was because of his dismal showing the prior year. You just can't bring yourself to say anything postive about Sha or the SHU.

Oh please. Basically every single poster on this board changed their tune about the COY. Just go back and look at the ongoing thread for that subject. Now you all want to act like you saw it coming when in reality you’re all changing your tune once HallDan put out his inside information.

Sha did a very nice job this year. But I hate the entire sentiment that they voted for him because we’re complete afterthoughts and the little engine that could. Ruins it for me

 

[Halldan]

Nova was not $10 million, more like $9 million. And Providence was over that.

That's what I was told as well.

 

[shu09]

This is one of the most positive fan forums I have come across, seriously. If you think this is bad you haven't seen any other P5 basketball or football board. I'm not happy or angry that Sha won BE coach of the year - I don't really care much. Personally, I'm not going to remember 5 years from now "that was the season Sha won COY"

It also doesn't change the opinion I have on him as a coach. I'm glad he's the coach here but something needs to give on the offensive end moving forward for the program to take the next step. I think he's capable of it.

As for those who don't think Sha will use this for a pay bump - agree to disagree. And that's where my curiosity went as soon as it was announced that he won because like many of you I think he deserves a kudos but respectful denial at this point. I've said I would play hardball on that but if you do accept the reality he may look for greener pastures. Some are shocked to read that but its the reality of saying no offering him a raise.

I'm hoping this silly award for playing .500 ball in the worst power conference and missing the NCAA Tournament yet again gets him some looks elsewhere. It would be the best thing for Seton Hall. He can go make the money he selfishly craves elsewhere, and we can rid ourselves of his horrid style of play.

 

[shu09]

Yup, I was waiting for this one.

It's true, though. If Seton Hall loses tomorrow, that would be quite the disappointment. In addition to his 0-4 record in getting to NCAA Tournaments at Seton Hall, the newly minted BE COY would also fall to 0-4 in BET games. What a resume!

 

[SPK145]

It's true, though. If Seton Hall loses tomorrow, that would be quite the disappointment. In addition to his 0-4 record in getting to NCAA Tournaments at Seton Hall, the newly minted BE COY would also fall to 0-4 in BET games. What a resume!

Thanks for having faith in one of Seton Hall’s own.

 

[shu09]

Thanks for having faith in one of Seton Hall’s own.

I figured you'd be one of the first to chime in. It has nothing to do with faith, although I have little to none in him. If he loses tomorrow, he'd then be 0-4 in BET games and will obviously miss the NCAAT again. Is that factually incorrect?

 

[lloyde dobler]

I figured you'd be one of the first to chime in. It has nothing to do with faith, although I have little to none in him. If he loses tomorrow, he'd then be 0-4 in BET games and will obviously miss the NCAAT again. Is that factually incorrect?

Why do you bother following the team?

 

[shu09]

Why do you bother following the team?

You all keep trying to attack me rather than addressing the facts. Nothing I'm saying is factually incorrect.

Why do I bother following the team? I want better for Seton Hall. I want to actually make the NCAA Tournament for a change. This guy is incapable of doing it.

 

[SPK145]

I figured you'd be one of the first to chime in. It has nothing to do with faith, although I have little to none in him. If he loses tomorrow, he'd then be 0-4 in BET games and will obviously miss the NCAAT again. Is that factually incorrect?

Nope, not at all.

I don't think he's the greatest coach. He's great with defense, failure with offense, weak with the programmatic details, very arrogant. I've said recently that I'd be ambivalent if he left.

But he's still Sha, one of Seton Hall's finest. So I'm happy for him and support him. Not that hard to do.

 

[shu09]

Nope, not at all.

I don't think he's the greatest coach. He's great with defense, failure with offense, weak with the programmatic details, very arrogant. I've said recently that I'd be ambivalent if he left.

But he's still Sha, one of Seton Hall's finest. So I'm happy for him and support him. Not that hard to do.

Agreed here overall, fair post. You mentioned the reasons why I don't like him as a coach. Great player, not so great coach. That said, I don't share your reverence for him as one of "Seton Hall's finest." I would put guys like Jerry Walker, Richie Regan, Terry Dehere, and a few others in that class way before Sha. Agree to disagree on that.

 

[lloyde dobler]

Agreed here overall, fair post. You mentioned the reasons why I don't like him as a coach. Great player, not so great coach. That said, I don't share your reverence for him as one of "Seton Hall's finest." I would put guys like Jerry Walker, Richie Regan, Terry Dehere, and a few others in that class way before Sha. Agree to disagree on that.

Isn‘t that what he means by saying ONE of Seton Hall’s finest? It’s amazing how you seem to have such strong dislike for the guy.

 

[The Crows Nest]

That just seems like a bad job now.

That’s GMacs job, no?

 

[shu67]

What has Sha done to deserve COY? 4th place finish is good, no one is knocking that. But when you take a deeper dive, he’s likely 0-8 vs Uconn, Stj, Nova, and Depaul. Add in 1-1 vs Creighton. He’s 1-9 be the top 6 teams in conference. I’m sorry that doesn’t equal COY!!!!!

18-2 is 100x better than 10-10 no matter how you slice it. Idc how much more NIL or resources they have available.

I would agree but he did get it so congrats to him and his coaching team who were part of it!

 

[Gritty5837]

Nope, not at all.

I don't think he's the greatest coach. He's great with defense, failure with offense, weak with the programmatic details, very arrogant. I've said recently that I'd be ambivalent if he left.

But he's still Sha, one of Seton Hall's finest. So I'm happy for him and support him. Not that hard to do.

Extremely fair post. I graduated in 2018, I just don't have the same attachment or appreciation that some of the older guys around here have because I didn't see him play. Still, he's a SHU legend and although I may seem heavily critical of him at times I don't want to disparage him.

Another positive - while the portal will primarily come down to how much we can pay, this COY award should only help Sha in his recruiting.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Please, just stop with your nonsense. Instead of lauding his accomplishment or in the very least remaining silent, you instead clearly mplied that the the only reason Sha won COY was because of his dismal showing the prior year. You just can't bring yourself to say anything postive about Sha or the SHU.

A coach of year award has nothing to do with the season before

 

[Halldan]

 

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[Gritty5837]

One day soon my prayers will be answered and I'll be able to buy one of the nice fleece's I always see Sha wearing.

 

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[Turiddu]

Shaheen’s Coach of the Year award feels well earned. He guided a roster where, realistically, few—if any—of his starters would crack the lineup on most other teams in the league. Yet every night they competed with intensity, left everything on the court, and pushed even the top teams to play their best. That competitiveness is a direct reflection of his leadership.

There’s still room for growth, especially on the offensive side. His defensive instincts are exceptional, but the system could benefit from fresh ideas. Bringing in a seasoned, offense‑minded assistant could help balance his strengths and elevate the team’s overall approach.

The financial realities of the league also matter. With limited resources, it’s difficult for him to attract the next tier of talent needed to take the program further. Even so, he’s shown he can maximize what he has. With stronger support and better funding, I believe Shaheen can continue to grow and lead the Hall to the success we all hope for.

 

[cernjSHU]

You all keep trying to attack me rather than addressing the facts. Nothing I'm saying is factually incorrect.

Why do I bother following the team? I want better for Seton Hall. I want to actually make the NCAA Tournament for a change. This guy is incapable of doing it.

Disagree with you that he can’t get it done and make the dance. But, let’s play your game. Sha leaves and what great coach is going to come here??? You want to decapitate the coach without any plan on how to replace him and follow through. Sort of like the Iran War we are in now.

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Disagree with you that he can’t get it done and make the dance. But, let’s play your game. Sha leaves and what great coach is going to come here??? You want to decapitate the coach without any plan on how to replace him and follow through. Sort of like the Iran War we are in now.

The difference 2 decades makes. Orr went to 2 tournaments perhaps should have been 3 appearances and was dismissed after 5 seasons. Current head coach is likely to enter year 5 without one appearance.

What changed? Well the conference from 20 years ago to now is less competitive.

 

[shu67]

I know he got coach of the year but let's not forget that his staff helped to get him the reward so kudos to all of them too!

 

[shu67]

The difference 2 decades makes. Orr went to 2 tournaments perhaps should have been 3 appearances and was dismissed after 5 seasons. Current head coach is likely to enter year 5 without one appearance.

What changed? Well the conference from 20 years ago to now is less competitive.

Yup Orr was not well regarded due to his lack of very good oratory skills but they were probably better than Shas. His results as coach were damn good. A shame the way he was treated.

 

[radecicco]

All these one note posters seem never to mention the most important factor in the current college hoops landscape: $$$. They will all say it’s an excuse. But really, if we can’t keep Hines because of $$$, then what? Where do we go for a quality center, or a quality PF? Even this year, SHU was the smallest P5 roster in the country. That’s what a bottom quartile rev share +NIL will get you.

After punching above our weight for half the season we came back down to earth somewhat but still ended up with 20 wins and played meaningful games into March. Holloway is not the best coach in the league but for this year he did the best job given what he had to work with according to his BE coaching colleagues.

And yes he has to make the NCAA sooner rather than later. So help him by providing a competitive NIL to work with. That’s up to the SHU powers that be. What other relevant coach is coming to SHU if we don’t have a competitive NIL?

 

[NYShoreGuy]

All these one note posters seem never to mention the most important factor in the current college hoops landscape: $$$. They will all say it’s an excuse. But really, if we can’t keep Hines because of $$$, then what? Where do we go for a quality center, or a quality PF? Even this year, SHU was the smallest P5 roster in the country. That’s what a bottom quartile rev share +NIL will get you.

After punching above our weight for half the season we came back down to earth somewhat but still ended up with 20 wins and played meaningful games into March. Holloway is not the best coach in the league but for this year he did the best job given what he had to work with according to his BE coaching colleagues.

And yes he has to make the NCAA sooner rather than later. So help him by providing a competitive NIL to work with. That’s up to the SHU powers that be. What other relevant coach is coming to SHU if we don’t have a competitive NIL?

One note here and I know the natives won't endorse. There is P4 then other conferences. The Big East is just another conference that happens to have basketball, not football as its landmark sport.

 

[NCAAsorBust]

All these one note posters seem never to mention the most important factor in the current college hoops landscape: $$$. They will all say it’s an excuse. But really, if we can’t keep Hines because of $$$, then what? Where do we go for a quality center, or a quality PF? Even this year, SHU was the smallest P5 roster in the country. That’s what a bottom quartile rev share +NIL will get you.

After punching above our weight for half the season we came back down to earth somewhat but still ended up with 20 wins and played meaningful games into March. Holloway is not the best coach in the league but for this year he did the best job given what he had to work with according to his BE coaching colleagues.

And yes he has to make the NCAA sooner rather than later. So help him by providing a competitive NIL to work with. That’s up to the SHU powers that be. What other relevant coach is coming to SHU if we don’t have a competitive NIL?

We didn't punch above our weight at all. That statement is the biggest bunch of bull I have read this season. We have 1 win all year against a team ranked above us in NET. The rest of the conference under performed. It's not our problem that they sucked and we took advantage of it. Not everybody took advantage of it, but we did. Good for us. We beat up on the teams that were bad and had a good record because of it. We did a very good job of knocking out teams below our weight.

The NIL problem here is not a Sha problem, it's a Seton Hall problem. Where it becomes a Sha problem is if we continually don't make the tournament. He's trying to climb that mountain. It's not going to be easy at Seton Hall because when our NIL goes up, you better believe the rest of the conference is going to go up and we will still be near the bottom. We don't have the deep pockets. So if he can't climb that mountain because of the challenges being the coach here brings. it will be time to give another guy a try. Regardless of NIL if we're picked last preseason next season and we're excited because we finish middle of the pack with no NCAA bid, it's going to become a tiring act of consistently being last because of a dreadful roster where we have lemons and need to make lemonade. At some point the biggest accomplishment has to be greater than we overachieved last place.

 

[radecicco]

We didn't punch above our weight at all. That statement is the biggest bunch of bull I have read this season. We have 1 win all year against a team ranked above us in NET. The rest of the conference under performed. It's not our problem that they sucked and we took advantage of it. Not everybody took advantage of it, but we did. Good for us. We beat up on the teams that were bad and had a good record because of it. We did a very good job of knocking out teams below our weight.

The NIL problem here is not a Sha problem, it's a Seton Hall problem. Where it becomes a Sha problem is if we continually don't make the tournament. He's trying to climb that mountain. It's not going to be easy at Seton Hall because when our NIL goes up, you better believe the rest of the conference is going to go up and we will still be near the bottom. We don't have the deep pockets. So if he can't climb that mountain because of the challenges being the coach here brings. it will be time to give another guy a try. Regardless of NIL if we're picked last preseason next season and we're excited because we finish middle of the pack with no NCAA bid, it's going to become a tiring act of consistently being last because of a dreadful roster where we have lemons and need to make lemonade. At some point the biggest accomplishment has to be greater than we overachieved last place.

So we agree, give Holloway the resources he needs so that we can provide an objective evaluation of his coaching acumen. However, the idea of giving another guy a try at SHU without adequate resources makes no sense. Just musical chairs every three or four years.

 

[Seton75]

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We didn't punch above our weight at all. That statement is the biggest bunch of bull I have read this season. We have 1 win all year against a team ranked above us in NET. The rest of the conference under performed. It's not our problem that they sucked and we took advantage of it. Not everybody took advantage of it, but we did. Good for us. We beat up on the teams that were bad and had a good record because of it. We did a very good job of knocking out teams below our weight.

The NIL problem here is not a Sha problem, it's a Seton Hall problem. Where it becomes a Sha problem is if we continually don't make the tournament. He's trying to climb that mountain. It's not going to be easy at Seton Hall because when our NIL goes up, you better believe the rest of the conference is going to go up and we will still be near the bottom. We don't have the deep pockets. So if he can't climb that mountain because of the challenges being the coach here brings. it will be time to give another guy a try. Regardless of NIL if we're picked last preseason next season and we're excited because we finish middle of the pack with no NCAA bid, it's going to become a tiring act of consistently being last because of a dreadful roster where we have lemons and need to make lemonade. At some point the biggest accomplishment has to be greater than we overachieved last place.

"regardless of nil"

hmmm...

 

[Halldan]

Yup Orr was not well regarded due to his lack of very good oratory skills but they were probably better than Shas. His results as coach were damn good. A shame the way he was treated.

The average fan does not know this but he was not willing to put in the time demanded from a head coach. People in the know who I absolutely trust told me he did not want to work past 5-6PM and when home did not want to be disturbed.

Once he left the Hall his record at Bowling Green was brutal. I winning season in 7 years.

 

[Halldan]

Did Orr do a decent job at the Hall. Absolutely. But here's his record. You judge.

12-18
17-13
21-10
12-16
18-12

Total 80-69 .537

Quality no doubt. But again he was let go for other reasons than his record.