Agree - there's momentum to keep playing now when you're fresh off BET games and the mindset is to keep playing, but having to wait a couple weeks is tough. The players probably thought they'd be playing sooner which is why they initially said they wanted to keep playing.
Seton Hall Declines Postseason
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By the first week of April, after no games for three weeks, I‘m on to baseball.
If you're in the Big East and this tournament is one of the deals Val has worked to get for the conference, you should play if invited.
It’s pretty pathetic that SHU gets invited to play in something that FOX is promoting and says no. But wants Fox to support the conference. Like who the heck is SHU to turn down anything??
isnt this brand new tourney half as big as last yr? Start date is riduliculous
If it's not suitable, TBEC should tell her so and not let her sign up. These other big time schools and conferences are living up to the deal. And the players are pros so they have agreed to play, If you make a deal, you do it to the maximum. That's the way you do business and this sure is a business. Seton Hall should be grateful for the opportunity Fox has presented them.
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Everything has gotten so fragmented, our 2024 NIT run was probably the last of an era. Why risk the injuries if you’re the players going to be FA’s in exhibition play like this?
I appreciate the season we had in the context of where we were last year. We had excitement. We got ranked. We were relevant. It was disappointing that we ended just 10-10 in the BE with so many near wins against top teams, but hey, cest la vie.
Looking forward to next season already with renewed confidence the program can compete.
I appreciate the season we had in the context of where we were last year. We had excitement. We got ranked. We were relevant. It was disappointing that we ended just 10-10 in the BE with so many near wins against top teams, but hey, cest la vie.
Looking forward to next season already with renewed confidence the program can compete.
It ended long before 2024. 2024 had something like 8 teams jump ship. Oklahoma and SJU would've been 1 seeds. Players went from no say to too much say. The swinging of the pendulum has made the fan experience 1000 times worse.
The playing dates fit into the window when the NCAA tournament isn't playing. That is FOX's only consideration.
This is all true. The question is what does the contract say? Are the players required to play in a post season tournament? Are there financial penalties if a player develops (dare I say) general soreness right before the game? What if certain players have it written into their contracts that post season play is discretionary? Would Seton Hall not sign a player if the player told you up front it's NCAAorbust? The players have a seat at the table now.
If anybody deserves blame it is FOX. After years of very obvious and major decline in post season tournaments in both basketball and football it’s their fault for throwing money at a basically dead platform.
You might want to check how many Power 5 teams also declined. So many so that b-ball power RU got an invite and accepted.
I enjoyed the NIT run personally, but the program suffered. More time was there for players to not get the recruiting attention required. How did we do the year after we won the NIT. I think this is the right decision.
With Rutgers in the Crown you now know all you need to know about this Tourney.
Fox should put there time and effort into developing events like the Crown to be played in November and December.
Many Big East teams are starving for quality opponents and revenue in the OOC. Give me an 8-team Crown tournament in November that pays the teams rather than a Maui MTE which costs Seton Hall hundreds of thousands of dollars to play in.
I understand Fox is looking to capitalize on the March Madness frenzy and sports betting craze when the NCAAT field starts to dwindle down but it's a lot to ask teams to wait 2+ weeks to play for minimal game. A $300k prize sounds great but comes to $20,000 per player if divided among the whole roster.
Many Big East teams are starving for quality opponents and revenue in the OOC. Give me an 8-team Crown tournament in November that pays the teams rather than a Maui MTE which costs Seton Hall hundreds of thousands of dollars to play in.
I understand Fox is looking to capitalize on the March Madness frenzy and sports betting craze when the NCAAT field starts to dwindle down but it's a lot to ask teams to wait 2+ weeks to play for minimal game. A $300k prize sounds great but comes to $20,000 per player if divided among the whole roster.
It is an absolute joke of a tournament. And there is something really wrong when you have 8 teams playing and most of the best teams in the country (sans 4) seasons are over.
A seat that they could negotiate games they play in? Good thing all of them wanted to go to Maui, just think if half of them decided the flight was too long. They’re negotiating not to play. Minor leaguers are supposed to be looking to showcase their abilities to impress someone, anyone and everyone to give them a shot at a higher level. Is a seton hall education going down the toilets that it’s teaching young people not to bet on themselves? I like that the coaching staff wants to start building for next year but players who don’t want to play, get me 12 new ones.
It is good for them. But it shows you the absolute lack of interest in this tourney.
I don’t care either way but we are a totally irrelevant basketball team with a MORE irrelevant athletics department in general
I would say we are borderline d1 in how we run athletics
So if schools that run actual big time athletics departments want to participate good for them and who are we to say anything to them putting it down
Our players, without the benefit of any college degree, negotiated contracts that did not require them to appear in any post season tournaments. They will also file tax returns with W-2s that exceed any W-2 I have ever received. The executives at Fox Sports in their fancy Ivy League suits find themselves selling the Crown Tournament featuring the Rutgers Scarlet Knights, of all teams, You're taking it personal. It's just business and you're taking it very, very personal.
it’s pretty clear you’re clueless when you mention a W2. It’s the dead give away. None of these players are employees. Who is their employer? You’re just spewing garbage of something you have no idea what you’re talking about. They don’t receive a w2. They all get 1099s. It’s clear listening to you talk about “business” is a waste of time.
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I’m sure all 48 people in the arena for the crown games will surely miss us. What a major event we turned down.
I don’t care if we turned it down or not. But for us to put it down and call it a joke is ridiculous
We are a fringe D1 athletics department, we shouldn’t make fun or call anything a joke. If the schools who wanted to play wanted to go for it good for them
Them turning down the Crown is a total lack of respect for the fans that donate big money to the program. It is a lack of respect to the fans that contribute to their NIL. It is a lack of respect to the fans that travel all over to support the team.
And the funny thing is, none of them will be back next year.
We should be getting our money's worth too.
And the funny thing is, none of them will be back next year.
We should be getting our money's worth too.
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I would say that it would a difficult classification to defend. It has all the “hallmarks” Of employer/employee. Pun intended. But serious on the employee classification
Even though they’re paid, the players are kids. Whether it’s because they were bitterly disappointed at their inability despite their effort to win the crucial games all season or if it’s because they’re a team of 10 new guys without a strong connection to the school, or if it’s disappointment with the lack of student support doesn’t matter. Sha is right to gage the team psyche by letting them decide. A performance like that of other BE teams in last year’s NIT won’t help us. Especially given our style of play without 100% commitments we’re getting blown out. Better To sit it out.
I thought so too. But now seeing all the teams that declined their invitations allowing a school with a record of 14-19 to enter the tournament I'm not so sure.
I naively thought all teams invited would accept. That wasn't close to the case so yes, I would have liked to see them play more games, but now I see it was not the big deal I thought it to be.
I naively thought all teams invited would accept. That wasn't close to the case so yes, I would have liked to see them play more games, but now I see it was not the big deal I thought it to be.
You may be correct that they get 1099's but in the real world they are actually W2 employees since the coach (school) has total control over when they work (play) how much they work, hours of work etc... Then there is the medical aspect. The school provides medical care when a player is injured. Provides room and board.
1099 contract workers and W-2 employees are classified per the IRS based on how you work with and compensate them. The IRS lists three dimensions to be aware of when you’re classifying workers:
- Behavioral: Does the company control how the worker does the job? The more you control things, such as a worker’s work schedule and location, which tools they use and the methods they use to complete tasks, the more likely they are to be classified as an employee.
- Financial: Does the company control business aspects of the worker’s job, such as how they’re paid and whether they can seek other work in the market? If the answer is yes, it’s more likely the worker should be considered an employee rather than a contractor.
- Type of relationship: Does the employer provide benefits, such as insurance or paid time off? Is the job expected to last indefinitely? Are the provided services a key aspect of the business? If any of these are true, it’s possible a worker should be classified as an employee.