Cal Goes Off on NCAA, Painter quote

From Cal's standpoint, if you don't know the rules, how can you be sure you're breaking them? (Allegedly. I'm sure Coach Cal has never run afoul of the NCAA...Oh, wait.)

Yeah, Cal said the same thing as Scott Drew, but sprinkled in a little more faux anger for good measure.

goldblack222 said:

Calipari rips NCAA over unclear eligibility criteria https://thescore.com/nba/news/3440325

People can hate on him all they want (and I have my share of issues with him), he ain't wrong. Once again, a complete NCAA failure to lead. They're awaiting the lawyers and judges to make up the rules as they go.

I guess I have never heard him talk for an extended period of time. I never realized he sounds like a love child of John Gotti and Foghorn Leghorn

BrucePhillips said:

People can hate on him all they want (and I have my share of issues with him), he ain't wrong. Once again, a complete NCAA failure to lead. They're awaiting the lawyers and judges to make up the rules as they go.

Unfortunately the NCAA "rules" don't invalidate state laws or judges rulings. Nothing the NCAA can do here. Big Ten and SEC commish need to lead the way in accelerating the CBA path.

BMan31 said:

From Cal's standpoint, if you don't know the rules, how can you be sure you're breaking them? (Allegedly. I'm sure Coach Cal has never run afoul of the NCAA...Oh, wait.)

he didn’t… he paid Orlando Antigua well to do that.

The rules are the rules. He is right. The rules say once you enter the NBA draft you are no longer eligible for NCAA basketball. Really, really simple. Let someone take you to court, if you lose again change the rule. Right now is the worst of both worlds. Rules that people are breaking with no consequences.

BoilerBF said:

Unfortunately the NCAA "rules" don't invalidate state laws or judges rulings. Nothing the NCAA can do here. Big Ten and SEC commish need to lead the way in accelerating the CBA path.

Sure there is, and Cal is pointing it out. I agree with you on the B1G and SEC; put it together, get it done and move on. Kick the NCAA to the curb.

BoilerBF said:

Unfortunately the NCAA "rules" don't invalidate state laws or judges rulings. Nothing the NCAA can do here. Big Ten and SEC commish need to lead the way in accelerating the CBA path.

Judge's rulings are only rulings until they're taken to a higher court. The problem with the NCAA is they don't want to fight anything. They just roll over...

BrucePhillips said:

Sure there is, and Cal is pointing it out. I agree with you on the B1G and SEC; put it together, get it done and move on. Kick the NCAA to the curb.

In front of a judge....what's the distinction NCAA lawyers would draw between European professional players and G league players (that never played in college)?

BoilerBF said:

In front of a judge....what's the distinction NCAA lawyers would draw between European professional players and G league players (that never played in college)?

IMHO, if you've been paid to play basketball in what's deemed a "professional" league and not taking college classes, you're no longer eligible.

BoilerBF said:

In front of a judge....what's the distinction NCAA lawyers would draw between European professional players and G league players (that never played in college)?

The (quite valid) criticism of the NCAA has been their lack of leadership. That's why we have this lunacy and the wild west of transfers, paying players, ambiguity of what can/can't be done, etc. they've curled up in a fetal position when challenged in court, failed to continue to push the issue when judges have ruled against them, etc. etc. etc. (ad nauseum). I'm not an attorney, but many of the coaches are quite clear on the issue, including Painter: EDIT: Here's another comment highlighting the general criticism: LOL "They don't know if they're on foot or horseback.." 😂 "..own things."

I have a couple of hypotheticals that I need some legal experts to evaluate and find flaws in: #1. The NCAA basketball tournament committee will determine the participants in the tournament by evaluating the NET, SOS, etc., etc, and the institutions abidance to all NCAA rules and regulation for the current year, and the institution's signing/accepting the agreement to abide by the CSC process and regulations. (I'm wondering if using the tournament acceptance can be a tool to "force" rule abidance versus overall eligibility since it's a stand alone "event") #2. The CFP committee will determine playoff participants by evaluating team rankings, conference championships, SOS, projected TV ratings, etc., etc., and the institutions abidance to all NCAA rules and regulation for the current year, and the institution's signing/accepting the agreement to abide by the CSC process and regulations. (Again, using a stand alone "event" to force abidance) I'm guessing this isn't a viable strategy in some legal way, but was wondering if this might be leverage to convince institutions to compete by the rules their president's agreed upon.

BrucePhillips said:

The (quite valid) criticism of the NCAA has been their lack of leadership. That's why we have this lunacy and the wild west of transfers, paying players, ambiguity of what can/can't be done, etc. they've curled up in a fetal position when challenged in court, failed to continue to push the issue when judges have ruled against them, etc. etc. etc. (ad nauseum). I'm not an attorney, but many of the coaches are quite clear in the issue, including Painter:

You didn't answer the question and either have any of the coaches. Completely understand the frustration of coaches. But eloquently complaining about very complex issues is a lot easier than offering solutions to fix the very complex issues

BoilerBF said:

You didn't answer the question and either have any of the coaches. Completely understand the frustration of coaches. But eloquently complaining about very complex issues is a lot easier than offering solutions to fix the very complex issues

Well, that's completely incorrect. Painter (et al) have gone out of their way to tactfully articulate the issue. They should not be waiting for lawsuits are judges to write the rules. Write the dayum rules, enforce the rules, then go stand by your decisions. If you think they're inconsistent (they likely are, again, it's the NCAA), that's another issue.

BrucePhillips said:

The (quite valid) criticism of the NCAA has been their lack of leadership. That's why we have this lunacy and the wild west of transfers, paying players, ambiguity of what can/can't be done, etc. they've curled up in a fetal position when challenged in court, failed to continue to push the issue when judges have ruled against them, etc. etc. etc. (ad nauseum). I'm not an attorney, but many of the coaches are quite clear on the issue, including Painter:

EDIT: Here's another comment highlighting the general criticism:

LOL "They don't know if they're on foot or horseback.." 😂 "..own things."

I think the reference to "the NCAA" has to be replaced by "the presidents". The presidents need to be brought front and center to this issue and stop "hiding" behind "the NCAA". The NCAA is only a front for what the presidents supposedly have committed to abd supposedly support.

BrucePhillips said:

Well, that's completely incorrect. Painter (et al) have gone out of their way to tactfully articulate the issue. They should not be waiting for lawsuits are judges to write the rules. Write the dayum rules, enforce the rules, then go stand by your decisions. If you think they're inconsistent (they likely are, again, it's the NCAA), that's another issue.

Agree the coaches have clearly explained what the issues are. They haven't offered viable solutions. Because only two solutions exist....CBA or federal legislation. All the tough talk from coaches or tough talk on internet message boards is great.....but doesn't solve anything. Those that run football will ultimately fix the problem on whatever time table they choose to fix it. College bball is just a long for the roller coaster ride until that happens.

BoilerBF said:

Agree the coaches have clearly explained what the issues are. They haven't offered viable solutions. Because only two solutions exist....CBA or federal legislation. All the tough talk from coaches or tough talk on internet message boards is great.....but doesn't solve anything. Those that run football will ultimately fix the problem on whatever time table they choose to fix it. College bball is just a long for the roller coaster ride until that happens.

No offense intended, but your responses read like you haven't watched Painter's post game presser (last night). He touched on that very issue. It's not "tough talk" from the coaches, it's affecting their ability to do their jobs. The criticism is 100% warranted. As to "tough talk" on an internet forum, I'm told that's what we do here. Especially as it relates to the results we demand. ;)

They’re just deflecting with this talk of a CBA until someone puts wheels in motion. You’re coaches right? Professionals in helping young men? Help them unionize so there can be a CBA.

BrucePhillips said:

No offense intended, but your responses read like you haven't watched Painter's post game presser (last night). He touched on that very issue. It's not "tough talk" from the coaches, it's affecting their ability to do their jobs. The criticism is 100% warranted. As to "tough talk" on an internet forum, I'm told that's what we do here. Especially as it relates to the results we demand. ;)

I watched Painter's presser. He said he didn't know what the answer was...."whether that's through congress...I don't know.... I'm a basketball coach" You are confusing eloquently talking about what the issues are and offering viable solutions. The answer is a CBA. It won't solve every issue but almost certainly be better than what exists today. Those that oversee college foitball will determine when the CBA becomes reality.

Pot calling kettle black. When you have Cal saying something is wrong, NCAA should listen. How hard is this? NCAA should fight it in court and appeal if necessary. If young man got paid money in G league and for that matter Europe league, this shouldn’t be allowed. I realize this would eliminate future Omer Meyer’s. So be it. This should be for US citizens on US soil for opportunities. If Europe wants to create College basketball, go for it. They won’t because they like club leagues.

BoilerBF said:

I watched Painter's presser. He said he didn't know what the answer was...."whether that's through congress...I don't know.... I'm a basketball coach" You are confusing eloquently talking about what the issues are and offering viable solutions. The answer is a CBA. It won't solve every issue but almost certainly be better than what exists today. Those that oversee college foitball will determine when the CBA becomes reality.

No, I'm not confusing anything of the sort. I don't know if we're talking around or past each other, but I don't think the issue could be more clear. The CBB coaches are looking for leadership, and they're not getting it. I believe Painter has even stated he has answers/opinions, as do 350 other coaches. But, it's the NCAA's responsibility to provide that leadership. That's it.

[QUOTE="BrucePhillips, post: 178396395, member: 7p No, I'm not confusing anything of the sort. I don't know if we're talking around or past each other, but I don't think the issue could be more clear. The CBB coaches are looking for leadership, and they're not getting it. I believe Painter has even stated he has answers/opinions, as do 350 other coaches. But, it's the NCAA's responsibility to provide that leadership. That's it. [/QUOTE] State laws and judges don't care about NCAA rules. You still haven't answered what the difference is between European pros and G league players (that didn't go to college)? Coaches want rules on things that likely can't be legally enforced without a CBA....or long shot odds of federal legislation.

It is already AAA/minor league/professional sports. Maybe just let players go as long as they want? We could bring back Edey with our current crew! We already know a good number never go to class. :love: No Chance of ANY Action! NCAA. Think of all the bragging rights!