Even women’s basketball

Hate it for Poppie. Really like him

Wonder if she ends up in Columbia

LSU?

Why would they release her?

Wow! Things keep adding up on Neff’s watch. Just saying. Some will say it’s just coincidence, but things, at this time, are not trending in a positive direction for Clemson athletics. Hey, we have women’s lacrosse!

Why release her if she signed scholarship papers and NIL deal?

Hope Harris Reynolds isn't getting out of his now...

kellentime7 said:

Hope Harris Reynolds isn't getting out of his now...

Have you heard something?

padtigers said:

Have you heard something?

No, but just worried after this, and then all the MBB staff leaving.

kellentime7 said:

No, but just worried after this, and then all the MBB staff leaving.

Yeah I’m paranoid myself. This all seems strange. Poppie seems to be one of the hottest young coaches going right now and this. Then 2 more staffers leaving MBB.

kellentime7 said:

No, but just worried after this, and then all the MBB staff leaving.

My fear is a few portal entries due to the late staff defections.

kellentime7 said:

Hope Harris Reynolds isn't getting out of his now...

I’m honestly surprised one of the big spenders hasn’t stepped in and poached him

peedee1 said:

I’m honestly surprised one of the big spenders hasn’t stepped in and poached him

It can happen at any moment. Signing an NLI means literally nothing.

jwragley said:

Why release her if she signed scholarship papers and NIL deal?

Haven’t thought about this in a very long time. But does signing the grant in aid mean anything any more? Way back it used to be ironclad unless you were drafted in baseball or the NBA. Two thoughts: Maybe Poppie doesn’t want a player who hates to be here? Or maybe(likely) she and her parents signed when she was 17 and now she’s 18. And SP can still be in good at her school. I just wonder how far off we are on the money.

If anyone didn’t expect this to happen once the NIL box was opened, I don’t know what to tell you. Clemson was never going to be able to compete in this environment at a high level. Our alumni base just isn’t there in quantity with the amount of resources needed. Also being in the ACC hurts us. As much as I hate it, you might as well shrug your shoulders and move on.

Buzzards Roost said:

Haven’t thought about this in a very long time. But does signing the grant in aid mean anything any more? Way back it used to be ironclad unless you were drafted in baseball or the NBA. Two thoughts: Maybe Poppie doesn’t want a player who hates to be here? Or maybe(likely) she and her parents signed when she was 17 and now she’s 18. And SP can still be in good at her school. I just wonder how far off we are on the money.

I know this may sound bad but it is a fact. How does an athletic department justify using a ton of money for a program that loses money? Some programs will pour money into WBB because they may not have a legit football program to support. This is the windy road of NIL/Rev Sharing. The schools have to figure out where to allocate funds. UofSc WBB's program lost $6 million last year.

88MechEng said:

If anyone didn’t expect this to happen once the NIL box was opened, I don’t know what to tell you. Clemson was never going to be able to compete in this environment at a high level. Our alumni base just isn’t there in quantity with the amount of resources needed. Also being in the ACC hurts us. As much as I hate it, you might as well shrug your shoulders and move on.

Hence the Big 10 coming on of late. Last 3 natty's in football by 3 different teams. Half of the Final Four for MBB. Those schools have added huge alumni bases to already existing large alumni base schools.

Clemson women's basketball had really improved as the season went on. I thought with what they had coming back and with this incredible signing class that Clemson would be pretty good next year (2026-2027) and only be better in the next (2027-2028). Well, I guess the house of cards fall fairly easily...

padtigers said:

I know this may sound bad but it is a fact. How does an athletic department justify using a ton of money for a program that loses money? Some programs will pour money into WBB because they may not have a legit football program to support. This is the windy road of NIL/Rev Sharing. The schools have to figure out where to allocate funds. UofSc WBB's program lost $6 million last year.

How do we figure that 6 million? They get that SEC medium money and a slice of that has to be for their only successful televised sport. I have to feel like that’s the way they look at it and they like being best in the country at something. To your point if they didn’t have the women’s team, they would have 6 million more dollars in their pocket. I think the margins are quite narrow for all sports at most schools. I wonder what the true numbers are for football at Clemson when you figure all we spend. Salaries and bricks and mortar and everything.

Yeah gotta be something else to the story. Hate it for poppie. Seemed like it had it going in right direction

88MechEng said:

Also being in the ACC hurts us. As much as I hate it, you might as well shrug your shoulders and move on.

This. I would say at least half the schools in the Big Ten don’t have as much direct alumni athletic support as we do. But they are carried by the conference money.

Buzzards Roost said:

How do we figure that 6 million? They get that SEC medium money and a slice of that has to be for their only successful televised sport. I have to feel like that’s the way they look at it and they like being best in the country at something. To your point if they didn’t have the women’s team, they would have 6 million more dollars in their pocket. I think the margins are quite narrow for all sports at most schools. I wonder what the true numbers are for football at Clemson when you figure all we spend. Salaries and bricks and mortar and everything.

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Buzzards Roost said:

Haven’t thought about this in a very long time. But does signing the grant in aid mean anything any more? Way back it used to be ironclad unless you were drafted in baseball or the NBA. Two thoughts: Maybe Poppie doesn’t want a player who hates to be here? Or maybe(likely) she and her parents signed when she was 17 and now she’s 18. And SP can still be in good at her school. I just wonder how far off we are on the money.

I hear ya. But this isn't the portal - she hasn't played one minute of college ball. If signing scholarship papers is just a pinky promise then this is utter contract chaos - there are no contracts then. Which makes zero sense. I'm inclined to believe what you posited, which is if she doesn't want to be there, don't invite that negativity into your locker room. I just think it's really crappy business on her and her parents. If you're gonna bolt for more money than don't sign on signing day.