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I think Bama may be a better job but if he misses the playoffs next year they will be calling for his head. What this comes down too is does he want to always wonder if they want him or go to a place that does. They were upset last year and if he loses next week they will not care if he leaves. Following Nick is a tough thing, it is even tougher when you are seesaw of emotions because of that pressure. Does he stay there and deal with that or does he say im good and come to Michigan

Yes. One of the top tier jobs in college football, without question. Doesn’t mean every coach is built for that type of job though

It was better for Saban pre-NIL.

mrl said:

Yes. One of the top tier jobs in college football, without question. Doesn’t mean every coach is built for that type of job though

Depends, actually, less patient fan base than Michigan

I actually think the playoff path is easier at Michigan. Can recruit a similar team but won’t have quite the SEC schedule with the likes of Rutgers, Purdue and Maryland still in the BIG

The school is a lot less academically. No transfer credit issues. They protect their people there too. The administrators don't put themselves before the program like we have here.

A2fan said:

Depends, actually, less patient fan base than Michigan

Yes that’s what I meant by my second sentence. However In terms of brand, history, resources, fan base, and university support it is a Tier A job in college football

Is a dentist a better job than an architect?

I think if you go down the list tit for tat I think they're fairly comparable. The thing that I think bama has over Michigan Is all boats rowing in the same direction from the top on down. Every time there is a Michigan coaching search, there's always division. Some hated less miles. Some hated Rich rod. Some hated Jim harbaugh And we can just never seem to get any unity

I think it's hard to compare "better" sometimes. If you're in the same tier, it comes down to fit and taste. You laid it out well overall. For me, comparing within tiers is about fit. Bama may very well be a better job. If Kirby Smart or Lane Kiffen is looking for a new job, it's way better. Kalen DeBoer's fit was being questioned this fall - way before a Michigan job was realistic, we didn't drive the narrative. He's coached in Ypsi, has ties here. He may prefer Michigan. Who knows. Both are Tier A. Individuals will rank them differently and with CFB a hotbed in the South *most* would say Bama is better. But for this exercise we're really talking about one guy, and that guy might have Michigan a step above.

I think NIL has quickly shifted the balance of power toward the more populous regions with strong alumni bases. A lot of these SEC schools are regional institutions packed into a small area. There are only so many people and only so much $ to go around. It worked when buying players was against the rules because it was cheaper to get a deal done. That calculus has entirely flipped. When a kid that was about to be the starting RB at Alabama transferred to UM, some major alarm bells should’ve been going off in Tuscaloosa. Prestigious schools with national recognition and huge alumni bases are setup to dominate athletics if they chose to leverage their strength.

Louis_Beck said:

A better job than Michigan? I saw this was said over on the Bama board, I'm bored at this point, so I have been checking out the Team boards to see what they're saying...and the Bama fans see DeBoer leaving as a demotion... Sure, a few more titles than us (thanks to Saban), its warmer sure, play in the SEC (big whoop), but I feel the M brand is much stronger than that of the Tide. But i feel a lot of the kids and general fan see Bama as a bigger job because of what Saban did, not necessarily because of the university/brand. What's your thoughts? even if you take off the maize and blue glasses. The Bama board really feels confident that Kalen is staying put, and really, he should IMO (not saying I dont want him over here).

Bama was a clear cut better job pre NIL. And should gt the nod..... But both squarely in the top 10 now and should be more about coaches preference... IMO

Bo Glue said:

Is a dentist a better job than an architect?

A dentist is much more mouthy than an architect who is always looking for the next angle!

Bama is a better job IMO. Both blue bloods but Bama has more titles. They are considered the best program in the country by most this century. The entire university is aligned with football success unless Michigan. We have access to more money via donors but they seem to be fine in that regard. The main benefit of the Michigan job is slightly lowered expectations from the fan base and administration

I think NIL has quickly shifted the balance of power toward the more populous regions with strong alumni bases. A lot of these SEC schools are regional institutions packed into a small area. There are only so many people and only so much $ to go around. It worked when buying players was against the rules because it was cheaper to get a deal done. That calculus has entirely flipped. When a kid that was about to be the starting RB at Alabama transfers to UM, some major alarm bells should’ve been going off in Tuscaloosa. Prestigious schools with national recognition and huge alumni bases are setup to dominate athletics if they choose to leverage their strength. So is Alabama a better job? I don’t know, but in terms of infrastructure UM is better setup for success.

Louis_Beck said:

A better job than Michigan? I saw this was said over on the Bama board, I'm bored at this point, so I have been checking out the Team boards to see what they're saying...and the Bama fans see DeBoer leaving as a demotion... Sure, a few more titles than us (thanks to Saban), its warmer sure, play in the SEC (big whoop), but I feel the M brand is much stronger than that of the Tide. But i feel a lot of the kids and general fan see Bama as a bigger job because of what Saban did, not necessarily because of the university/brand. What's your thoughts? even if you take off the maize and blue glasses. The Bama board really feels confident that Kalen is staying put, and really, he should IMO (not saying I dont want him over here).

I think it depends on the coach and individual. What you want out of the job, resources, support, etc. There is many layers to it. When it comes to Kalen Deboer, I think Michigan is a better job for him. A guy like Lane Kiffin- a job like Bama would be better for him.

Louis_Beck said:

A better job than Michigan? I saw this was said over on the Bama board, I'm bored at this point, so I have been checking out the Team boards to see what they're saying...and the Bama fans see DeBoer leaving as a demotion... Sure, a few more titles than us (thanks to Saban), its warmer sure, play in the SEC (big whoop), but I feel the M brand is much stronger than that of the Tide. But i feel a lot of the kids and general fan see Bama as a bigger job because of what Saban did, not necessarily because of the university/brand. What's your thoughts? even if you take off the maize and blue glasses. The Bama board really feels confident that Kalen is staying put, and really, he should IMO (not saying I dont want him over here).

What would expect the Bama board to say? Really it seems to be a subjective call. Bama is a top job no doubt but no way better than M in my partial opinion.

Louis_Beck said:

A better job than Michigan? I saw this was said over on the Bama board, I'm bored at this point, so I have been checking out the Team boards to see what they're saying...and the Bama fans see DeBoer leaving as a demotion... Sure, a few more titles than us (thanks to Saban), its warmer sure, play in the SEC (big whoop), but I feel the M brand is much stronger than that of the Tide. But i feel a lot of the kids and general fan see Bama as a bigger job because of what Saban did, not necessarily because of the university/brand. What's your thoughts? even if you take off the maize and blue glasses. The Bama board really feels confident that Kalen is staying put, and really, he should IMO (not saying I dont want him over here).

They have had a good run for football. Part of that was NIL when it wasn’t legal. Now that playing field has found a level the quality of that job is less than what it was. Take away the “bag” years and Michigan blows them away academically and athletically.

Louis_Beck said:

A better job than Michigan? I saw this was said over on the Bama board, I'm bored at this point, so I have been checking out the Team boards to see what they're saying...and the Bama fans see DeBoer leaving as a demotion... Sure, a few more titles than us (thanks to Saban), its warmer sure, play in the SEC (big whoop), but I feel the M brand is much stronger than that of the Tide. But i feel a lot of the kids and general fan see Bama as a bigger job because of what Saban did, not necessarily because of the university/brand. What's your thoughts? even if you take off the maize and blue glasses. The Bama board really feels confident that Kalen is staying put, and really, he should IMO (not saying I dont want him over here).

I think they’re about equal to be honest. Bonus points to UM if you’re looking for a little more university prestige. IMO - it comes down to resources, gameday atmosphere, history, pay, big game opportunities and brand. To which I’d say UA and UM are very comparable. Don’t let SEC bias cloud your logic.

If he loses to Oklahoma for the third time in two seasons the fans will be calling for his job again. They’re already critical of him for missing the playoffs once and the fact he is not the best cultural fit.

Louis_Beck said:

A better job than Michigan? I saw this was said over on the Bama board, I'm bored at this point, so I have been checking out the Team boards to see what they're saying...and the Bama fans see DeBoer leaving as a demotion... Sure, a few more titles than us (thanks to Saban), its warmer sure, play in the SEC (big whoop), but I feel the M brand is much stronger than that of the Tide. But i feel a lot of the kids and general fan see Bama as a bigger job because of what Saban did, not necessarily because of the university/brand. What's your thoughts? even if you take off the maize and blue glasses. The Bama board really feels confident that Kalen is staying put, and really, he should IMO (not saying I dont want him over here).

I agree that following Sabin was a tough task. And I think that Michigan may be a better fit for him, especially with this Midwest ties. I think Bama would not feel it would be a loss, losing KD and would look at somebody with more SEC ties, especially if they lose to Oklahoma.

Ch13ba said:

I think NIL has quickly shifted the balance of power toward the more populous regions with strong alumni bases. A lot of these SEC schools are regional institutions packed into a small area. There are only so many people and only so much $ to go around. It worked when buying players was against the rules because it was cheaper to get a deal done. That calculus has entirely flipped. When a kid that was about to be the starting RB at Alabama transferred to UM, some major alarm bells should’ve been going off in Tuscaloosa. Prestigious schools with national recognition and huge alumni bases are setup to dominate athletics if they chose to leverage their strength.

This is the right answer.

Bama fans strike me as OSU fans do. Very entitled due to prior success and can’t fathom something or someone being better than what they are or have. Our sign stealing saga was the only way half of Ohio could stomach our recent success and sleep at night. They can’t lose naturally. If they lose it was because someone was cheating or simply their team didn’t care / coaching was bad / anything but taking accountability. In the new era, I think we’re the northern version of Georgia. USC and Oregon are the LSU and Texas, Penn state as ole Miss.

Revtheman said:

I think Bama may be a better job but if he misses the playoffs next year they will be calling for his head. What this comes down too is does he want to always wonder if they want him or go to a place that does. They were upset last year and if he loses next week they will not care if he leaves. Following Nick is a tough thing, it is even tougher when you are seesaw of emotions because of that pressure. Does he stay there and deal with that or does he say im good and come to Michigan

I think Bama is a top 5 job, Michigan is a top 10 job. They are both elite jobs. Both should be able to get most any coach they want. I think the differences between really any top 10 job are fairly negligible and ultimately make it where it becomes preference. The brand of the University of Michigan is definitely stronger than Alabama's brand. But Alabama's entire brand is based around football, it is the complete identity of the university. I brought a friend of mine who went to a smaller school in Alabama, but is a big Alabama fan to the Northwestern game in the Big House back in 2015. Michigan was 4-1, going for a third straight shutout, Harbaugh's first year back, lots of excitement around the game. We were talking to the guy in front of us in the north endzone as half time started and the guy says he has to pay attention, the reason he came to the game was about to start, the New York Symphony orchestra was playing the half time show with the band. After the half time show the guy left. My buddy was flabbergasted. He still talks about it to this day. That would never occur at Alabama, for many reasons. But that is just an example of they are such different places, the culture is different. I think if Kalen leaves its more due to culture than anything.