Is Indiana Cheating

Big allegation from Bud here. Cig has been a death machine though and he does have a heisman winning QB to pair with an elite defense..

Beat Miami

No...not cheating.

I literally just said this the other day about Bud Davis. Dude shoots from the hip and doesn't give a fuck. He then backs everything up. This is why hes great. lol

OPs handle checks out… snitch

No that’s absolutely absurd

If they are then they need to do it for at least one more game

The rise is INCREDIBLE. Maybe the most impressive we've ever seen. But people act like they were going 1-11 every year. They weren't. Historically, one of the worst programs. But at least IU was mostly competent the past decade, outside of a couple seasons. [TABLE] [TR] [TD]2015[/TD] [TD]Kevin Wilson[/TD] [TD]6–7[/TD] [TD]2–6[/TD] [TD]5th (East)[/TD] [TD]L Pinstripe[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2016[/TD] [TD]Kevin Wilson[n 2][/TD] [TD]6–7[n 2][/TD] [TD]4–5[/TD] [TD]4th (East)[/TD] [TD]L Foster Farms[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Tom Allen (Big Ten Conference) (2016–2023)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2017[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]5–7[/TD] [TD]2–7[/TD] [TD]7th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2018[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]5–7[/TD] [TD]2–7[/TD] [TD]6th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2019[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]8–5[/TD] [TD]5–4[/TD] [TD]4th (East)[/TD] [TD]L Gator[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2020[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]6–2[/TD] [TD]6–1[/TD] [TD]2nd (East)[/TD] [TD]L Outback[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2021[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]2–10[/TD] [TD]0–9[/TD] [TD]7th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2022[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]4–8[/TD] [TD]2–7[/TD] [TD]6th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2023[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]3–9[/TD] [TD]1–8[/TD] [TD]7th (East) [/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]

I think the average age of players on Indiana being 23 is part of the reason for the success.

Keith Niebuhr said:

The rise is INCREDIBLE. Maybe the most impressive we've ever seen. But people act like they were going 1-11 every year. They weren't. Historically, one of the worst programs. But at least IU was mostly competent the past decade, outside of a couple seasons. [TABLE] [TR] [TD]2015[/TD] [TD]Kevin Wilson[/TD] [TD]6–7[/TD] [TD]2–6[/TD] [TD]5th (East)[/TD] [TD]L Pinstripe[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2016[/TD] [TD]Kevin Wilson[n 2][/TD] [TD]6–7[n 2][/TD] [TD]4–5[/TD] [TD]4th (East)[/TD] [TD]L Foster Farms[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Tom Allen (Big Ten Conference) (2016–2023)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2017[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]5–7[/TD] [TD]2–7[/TD] [TD]7th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2018[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]5–7[/TD] [TD]2–7[/TD] [TD]6th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2019[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]8–5[/TD] [TD]5–4[/TD] [TD]4th (East)[/TD] [TD]L Gator[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2020[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]6–2[/TD] [TD]6–1[/TD] [TD]2nd (East)[/TD] [TD]L Outback[/TD] [TD]13[/TD] [TD]12[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2021[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]2–10[/TD] [TD]0–9[/TD] [TD]7th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2022[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]4–8[/TD] [TD]2–7[/TD] [TD]6th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]2023[/TD] [TD]Tom Allen[/TD] [TD]3–9[/TD] [TD]1–8[/TD] [TD]7th (East)[/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE]

Nine wins total in the three seasons before Cig showed up is pretty crappy near term to go with losingest program of all time long term. ‘The worst program ever was in a down period. 😳

dionysis42 said:

I think the average age of players on Indiana being 23 is part of the reason for the success.

DING DING DING, we have a winner. They have a few 25-year-olds playing. Literally have men playing against boys for a large part. Not just about physical strength but mental maturity to do what one is supposed to and not supposed to. It is showing in the Teams discipline.

RumorStarter10 said:

The meteoric rise is unbelievable. From one of the worst teams in P5 to arguably best CFB team ever in 2 years. Bud Davis thinks something’s fishy.

I just want to know exactly what he is doing to make the best teams in CFB look like Pop Warner level teams? His players aren't better talent wise and he is not going up against poorly coached teams either. It's almost like they know every play and coverage that's being run against them Offensively and Defensively. You can't accuse them of cheating without proof but the unprecedented meteoric rise to power is definitely questionable.

Chantweaver said:

DING DING DING, we have a winner. They have a few 25-year-olds playing. Literally have men playing against boys for a large part. Not just about physical strength but mental maturity to do what one is supposed to and not supposed to. It is showing in the Teams discipline.

They had 8 recruits from 20/21 starting. Oregon had 6. It’s a piece of it, but the massively larger part is having the right older guys and the right coaching.

This

Excellent coaching & really really good evaluating. Part of the talent evaluation is identifying players that want to be a part of something, not just after the most $. SOS could sell it, Meyer as well, then of course Saban followed by Kirby (briefly), now Cignetti.

GatorGuyDallas said:

Nine wins total in the three seasons before Cig showed up is pretty crappy near term to go with losingest program of all time long term. ‘The worst program ever was in a down period. 😳

And this…

RumorStarter10 said:

The meteoric rise is unbelievable. From one of the worst teams in P5 to arguably best CFB team ever in 2 years. Bud Davis thinks something’s fishy.

People should shut up when they have to conclude their assertions with "this isn't based on any evidence."

I like Bud’s posting but that’s a bit much. At least drop your theory on what type of cheating. They aren’t getting the highest recruits so is it PEDs, paying refs, etc? Stupid theory.

JohnsJeansJeans said:

I literally just said this the other day about Bud Davis. Dude shoots from the hip and doesn't give a ****. He then backs everything up. This is why hes great. lol

He said he has no proof, so there’s really no backing this one up.

Imagine being Tom Allen 😬 Hope we say the same about Napier! 😉

JohnsJeansJeans said:

I literally just said this the other day about Bud Davis. Dude shoots from the hip and doesn't give a ****. He then backs everything up. This is why hes great. lol

Except he hasn’t backed anything up except for providing data that Indiana is better than they have been (duh). He will spout that nonsense about cheating, then not have the stones to assert what kind of cheating he thinks is going on. I guess we’ll have to wait for his computer to come up with an idea since he’s not capable of thinking without his little stats.

Seriously in today’s college football there are basically no rules. So unless they are playing guys with no eligibility or not even officially enrolled in school then how are they cheating?

I think it's fair to question how, and only natural some folks might be skeptical. I think it's just more than Cignetti is truly an elite coach who is taking advantage of the portal and has veteran experience motivating, leading, and coaching. Taking a bunch of dudes with a ton of experience and utilizing them properly and motivating them well can be a recipe for success obviously.