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OT: 2022-23 NHL thread….Devils & Rangers & Islanders
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I couldn’t agree more with the Devils announcers. My takeaway from game 1 was that the Devils speed bombing down the ice was very dangerous, and every time they got the Rangers to turn over the puck in center ice it turned into a good scoring chance, but the Rangers D and Shesterkin played well to get them a win. It was a 5-1 game 1 win but the the Rangers were very opportunistic on offense.
The Devils played tougher last night, but that actually made them easier to play against. The Rangers can handle some tough they have defensemen who normally can’t handle the kind of speed the Devils have.
Yes, the Devils need to be tough in their own end, but I thought they made their forwards easier to play against by worrying about toughness instead of exposing the Ranger defensemen with speed.
I do agree, though, that if the Devils were going to take an extra penalty or two it should have been cross checking Kreider in front of the net because he is dominating right now.
Kane had more good moments in this one game than all of the games since the trade deadline combined together.
The Patrick Kane of last night is a huge difference maker.
You don’t make long term signing decisions based on a series.
Also, where did the Blackwood haters go ?
It wasn’t his fault the team hung him out to dry
This series is over in 4.
Devils are two seasons away from being able to advance
Also, where did the Blackwood haters go ?
It wasn’t his fault the team hung him out to dry
This series is over in 4.
Devils are two seasons away from being able to advance
What is so funny about predicting the top team in the metro will beat the Rangers?
One thing is that that the Rangers have always matched up with them well, including last year in the playoffs after the Canes were also the top team in the Metro.
The other would be that they are missing two of their best players in Svechnikov and Terravainen and that will catch up to them if they get past the Islanders.
He absolutely is. I was cautiously optimistic that he'd turn it on in the playoffs, but then he was the worst player in the ice in Game 1.
He was much better last night, was instrumental on the PP, and of course the work ethic / skill to ice it at the end was great.
Plus, I‘d say there is still a better than decent change NYI win this series. If not for some brain farts by a world class goalie, they’d be tied coming home. There is something correct about the Pat Riley saying - The series doesn’t start until the home team loses.
And, as I suggested earlier, whoever played NYI and happen to win, they will be completely tenderized for the next round.
There is no way Carolina is beating the rangers if they advance over the islanders which is not a given.
Their goaltending is shaky , two top-6 forwards out injured.
Rangers would take them out in 5 , 6 at most
Their goaltending is shaky , two top-6 forwards out injured.
Rangers would take them out in 5 , 6 at most
Blackwood? He's not even playing nor should he be.
And as usual you're overreacting. Two seasons? Lol.
And the Devils are not getting whipped because of lack of size, grit or any of that crap, they've actually stood up to the Rangers in that area, it's everything else that is burying them. Ruff and his staff have been thoroughly out coached, the special teams and our top players (Jack, Nico, Bratt, Dougie etc...) have been no shows and our goaltending has been inconsistent if not just flat out bad.
Yeah we can always use more size, but it has nothing to do with us being down 0-2.
Yeah we can always use more size, but it has nothing to do with us being down 0-2.
Let’s remember ny got Kane and Tarasenko for absolutely nothing.
The team has a major advantage of playing in Manhattan
The team has a major advantage of playing in Manhattan
I’ve been right and it bothers you.
I told you this would happen for months and you disagreed countless times.
Can they win a series next season? Depends on the matchup but it’s unlikely since they will still be young
Give Luke and Nemec two full seasons and then they are ready to compete
When did I disagreed? You were right we were going to get whipped like this, I didn't see that coming, but I never said they were going to beat the Rangers, in fact I said this in February:
Right now as it stands the Rangers probably beat the Devils if they meet in playoffs and that's nothing to be ashamed of, they're both Top 5 teams that have no business playing each other in the first round but are because the NHL is run by morons.
I never wanted the Rangers, not for one second and I've been clear about that. Stop acting like Devils fans in here were chirping that we were going to beat them and you're some kind of voice of reason, you're not. The only people I can recall who thought we would win were Zap and Krup - Rangers posters.
How much of an advantage has it been though? One cup since the cure of polio is not taking advantage of playing in Manhattan. Most of the time getting stars at the end of their prime or past it will backfire, look at all the greats who have donned the Rangers jersey in the past couple decades and then look at the results. It's not been pretty.
So, 2 games in, some real fun and close matchups. 6 of 8 roadies won the 1st game, then 6 of 8 homies won the 2nd. Beats me what it means. But, sure is fun.
On the locals:
Like I said above, I don’t really consider NYI in danger…yet. They need to hold serve at home, and I think they will.
NJD have their work cut out for them. I think @krup and the broadcasters have it right - NJD should lean into their skill. Those are the type of players they have. They aren’t going to out beef anyone. They need to open up more, not less. If it’s not enough, so be it. Plus, I recall an earlier comparison to the 80s Oilers. In that, the focus on team makeup was on skill for both. Not true for EDM. Those teams had a lot of players that played a heavy game, and not just on the bottom 6. There was almost always a big guy, Semenko/etc., riding shotgun for Gretzky/Kurri and then you had players like Messier/Anderson/Tikkanen. Again, in the top 6. I’m not saying this series is done, because a young team is just as capable as being too young to know better and go on a tear as it is to fold under the first time pressure. But, I have said for a while that some of the players they have are redundant. They probably need to change the mix a bit.
NYR - I think Kane waking up is a bit surprising. But other than that, should we be that surprised so far? We have known Shesty can be all world, Fox did win a Norris, and Krieder has been doing his tippy/PP thing for a few years now. For many years, going back to the Lundy days, this seemed like a team that always did it the hard way, every game was close, every series went 7, etc. Do they have the stone cold killer in them to stomp out an opponent that is bloodied? We’ll see.
Funny that only 2-0 series are with our locals. I think that is going to change a bit. A lot of hockey to be played. Enjoy the ride.
On the locals:
Like I said above, I don’t really consider NYI in danger…yet. They need to hold serve at home, and I think they will.
NJD have their work cut out for them. I think @krup and the broadcasters have it right - NJD should lean into their skill. Those are the type of players they have. They aren’t going to out beef anyone. They need to open up more, not less. If it’s not enough, so be it. Plus, I recall an earlier comparison to the 80s Oilers. In that, the focus on team makeup was on skill for both. Not true for EDM. Those teams had a lot of players that played a heavy game, and not just on the bottom 6. There was almost always a big guy, Semenko/etc., riding shotgun for Gretzky/Kurri and then you had players like Messier/Anderson/Tikkanen. Again, in the top 6. I’m not saying this series is done, because a young team is just as capable as being too young to know better and go on a tear as it is to fold under the first time pressure. But, I have said for a while that some of the players they have are redundant. They probably need to change the mix a bit.
NYR - I think Kane waking up is a bit surprising. But other than that, should we be that surprised so far? We have known Shesty can be all world, Fox did win a Norris, and Krieder has been doing his tippy/PP thing for a few years now. For many years, going back to the Lundy days, this seemed like a team that always did it the hard way, every game was close, every series went 7, etc. Do they have the stone cold killer in them to stomp out an opponent that is bloodied? We’ll see.
Funny that only 2-0 series are with our locals. I think that is going to change a bit. A lot of hockey to be played. Enjoy the ride.
Great point here - putting Brendan Smith in and moving Wood up to third line while scratching Boqvist has been a disaster for Ruff.
The only plus I've seen from this series is us stepping up the physicality, in two games the Rangers have only outhit us 71-69 and we haven't backed down in any scrum thrown our way.
Ruff has outcoached himself, he tried to strengthen an area that has turned out not needing any help.
True. For cups. Not true for almost every other objective measurement (more wins than losses, almost always in the playoffs, no last place finishes, making money, etc.). And that is the problem. Fans wanted cups. The corporate ownership wanted numbers. I don’t know all the facts, but I do have a few. I know for a fact that in the MSG operating budget, for many years, was the assumption of 2 playoff rounds. Not winning a cup. Just asses in the seats. So yeah, Manhattan is great. But, for those prices, you damn BETTER put on a show. You BETTER get names/excitement to draw. All that affects decisions made. And you get just enough talent to be a little better than ok for almost every year. So, you have year after year of not only not WINNING big, but WAY more importantly if you want players that get you championships, not LOSING big. They haven’t finished bottom 5 in over half a century. No other team can say that. Even other big market clubs that have the same pressures. All others have all bottomed out at some point. NYR never got into that lose big, win big cycle. Just a lot of avg to above avg play. And in typical NYR fashion - they are gifted 2 lottery wins and those guys seem more like 3rd line pluggers than kids you can build an entire championship team around (like Hughes).
Meh - We can go on and on about the NYR (head)case study, lol, but it’s probably a better discussion in the off season when there is nothing else to talk about.
Not sure if out coached is the right term.
I agree with Mr Krup, the mandate for more physical play from the Devils was certainly not the answer.
Bad move by Ruff
Not denying the Rangers have an advantage of players wanting to come to NYC, but from all accounts Tarasenko only wanted to come to NY and was having a weak year by his standards, and it still cost NY a first rounder to get him and Mikkola (not absolutely nothing).
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The Rangers are head and shoulders better, they match up extremely well, just as they did last year, and the fact that Carolina is missing 2 of their best players.
And oh yeah, we have igor and their starter is our former backup
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Unless the fix alot of things devs are still at least 2 years away.
If im fitz heres what im doing this offseason
1) acknowledge your team is small and softer than baby ****. Address that.
2) Let timo walk (he stinks and has been invisible)
3) trade Bratt for assets, hes not gonna sign with the devs long term unless they pay him $8.5+ and he aint worth that
4) sign bertuzzi, max domi and hathaway. The devils need some pricks. Theyre too easy to play against
Then have the cap space for July 1 2024 and make offers to Sorokin and Hellebyuck that they cannot refuse. If they keep the status quo, theyre screwed
Proud, nothing is funnier than you predicting we wouldn't even be here in January
I almost wish you were right lol.
Are we even here?
10-2 says no
Hamilton is grossly overrated IMO. Granted he can score from the point, but that's about it for him. So far the Rangers have clogged up the front of the net & he can't get a shot through. Lousy defenseman--soft, coughs up the puck, no speed among other shortcomings.
Wood is a penalty waiting to happen.
Meier has played poorly.
When you have to keep trying to convince people this hard you know hockey, it usually means you don't.I mostly agree with those comments
We both understand hockey pretty well
There is so much wrong here (some is not though like Bratt)I really ain't got the time right now. Maybe later.
I will say this, I get you hate the Devils the same way I hate the Rangers, but try to bury that hate when you're going to try to give your take on us. Like the soft as baby ****, you're just trying to be a tool.
We’re both more knowledgeable than you that’s obviousWhen you have to keep trying to convince people this hard you know hockey, it usually means you don't.
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I mean it genuinely. The devs are very soft. Kreider could bring a lawn chair off the bench and park it in front of the net on the pp if he wanted to.
It would be pretty dumb to let Timo walk given that he is under team control for another year so if you don’t want to give him the big qualifying offer you can trade his rights to recoup at least part of what you paid for him.
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This guy ronnie b knows nothing haha reading some of his posts itt
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Thats what i mean by let him walk.
Devs dont have much leverage if they try to deal him. The return would be minimal