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Offense next year vs this year...

They haven't really signed any crazy, big splash portal guys but the guys they signed combined with the guys coming back and the expected improvement from a year 1 guy to a year 2 guy should make this offense much better IMO. On the OL you've got Fasusi/EPL/Maikkula or Nitta/Fodje or Ozeata/E'Marion Harris or Fodje and then Afavala, Akinkunmi, Hollenbeck, Deacon Schmitt, Noah Best and whoever else they bring in in the portal. They had 3 freshman starting last year. That's kind of crazy. That group just by getting a year older, bigger and more experienced should be a lot better. Harris has a ton of starting SEC experience. He's going to help a lot. I don't know much about Nitta but he graded out well. Hollenbeck is supposedly a beast strength wise. I know nothing about how good he is but there is a chance some of these young guys could be helpful too. You would have to think this group should be a decent amount better... I don't know how many watched Gabe do his in the weeds on Hayden Hansen. You see different things on Twitter about how good or not good he is. Gabe is really excited about this guy and his ability to block. He showed videos of him on an island blocking legit DE's from several different top teams. He was blocking the Miami DE on an island. The Texas DE on an island. Another good team too but I can't remember who. Can you imagine doing that with any of last years TE's? He's also a good run blocker. It sounds like the Yale guy they have on campus is kind of similar in this way. If you watch the first 1/3 of the Alabama game when Mateer was comfortable in the pocket he was picking them apart. Then when Alabama started blitzing the OU offense did almost nothing the rest of the game because the OL gave him 0 time and he also did not handle it very well. I really think if they can protect Mateer the offense can be really good. But if they can protect AND actually run the ball, oh man that's really a crazy idea. I think having TE's that can block will mean so much to this team and they obviously made that a priority. On the WR front Sategna obviously was great. Other than him that room was pretty average this year. We don't know for sure but it seems like Trell Harris is going to be really good. It seems like Livingstone gives OU something they didn't have this year. If you listen to this morning's Oklahoma breakdown Teddy and Gabe are begging to let Elijah Thomas show what he can do and what they saw in the spring and fall camps. Manny Choice also can be a weapon. He's listed at 6'4 212 and he can run. Petit is listed at 6'3 220. Rogers can fly. This room is very theoretical but the upside is really high. More like the upside of previous good OU offenses IMO. That doesn't mean much though. They've got to go do something. I really think this offense will be a lot better this year assuming health luck which can make all the difference any given year.
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c_Blake_c

Jan 07, 3:48 PM

Totally turning over the WR room, even though they were open a lot last season, but bringing back a highly inaccurate and inconsistent QB is…a move. Hopefully it works, but this staff has failed to get offense right time and time again. That said, Harris is a nice addition and I think Hansen will help a lot.
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SoonerBold

Jan 07, 3:54 PM

Hopefully QB fixes his head. There were plenty of TDs left off the board, people open this year and IMO with GOOD QB play we had a team that could have won it all.
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TU98

Jan 07, 3:55 PM

c_Blake_c said:
Totally turning over the WR room, even though they were open a lot last season, but bringing back a highly accurate and inconsistent QB is…a move. Hopefully it works, but this staff has failed to get offense right time and time again. That said, Harris is a nice addition and I think Hansen will help a lot.
I think giving Mateer even a little more time and hopefully more of a running game will help a lot.
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Vegas-Sooner

Jan 07, 3:55 PM

c_Blake_c said:
Totally turning over the WR room, even though they were open a lot last season, but bringing back a highly accurate and inconsistent QB is…a move. Hopefully it works, but this staff has failed to get offense right time and time again. That said, Harris is a nice addition and I think Hansen will help a lot.
Just stfu. If you’re going to complain about QB then give us a list of the exact players you would have targeted and for how much money. Then give us a cost breakdown of the remaining portal additions and the guys we wouldn’t have been able to land because of the extra money for a QB. I know I complain about the OL and get hyperbolic when I complain but some of y’all just straight up don’t live in reality and have no concept of roster building.
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bgritt34

Jan 07, 4:01 PM

Like the upgrades, but hard to put to much stock in the offense until it proves it can be consistent in the meat of the SEC schedule. We as fans need to do a better job not buying the preseason/ early season media/insider hype until its being proven out each Saturday in the fall
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Biii

Jan 07, 4:02 PM

TU98 said:
They haven't really signed any crazy, big splash portal guys but the guys they signed combined with the guys coming back and the expected improvement from a year 1 guy to a year 2 guy should make this offense much better IMO. On the OL you've got Fasusi/EPL/Maikkula or Nitta/Fodje or Ozeata/E'Marion Harris or Fodje and then Afavala, Akinkunmi, Hollenbeck, Deacon Schmitt, Noah Best and whoever else they bring in in the portal. They had 3 freshman starting last year. That's kind of crazy. That group just by getting a year older, bigger and more experienced should be a lot better. Harris has a ton of starting SEC experience. He's going to help a lot. I don't know much about Nitta but he graded out well. Hollenbeck is supposedly a beast strength wise. I know nothing about how good he is but there is a chance some of these young guys could be helpful too. You would have to think this group should be a decent amount better... I don't know how many watched Gabe do his in the weeds on Hayden Hansen. You see different things on Twitter about how good or not good he is. Gabe is really excited about this guy and his ability to block. He showed videos of him on an island blocking legit DE's from several different top teams. He was blocking the Miami DE on an island. The Texas DE on an island. Another good team too but I can't remember who. Can you imagine doing that with any of last years TE's? He's also a good run blocker. It sounds like the Yale guy they have on campus is kind of similar in this way. If you watch the first 1/3 of the Alabama game when Mateer was comfortable in the pocket he was picking them apart. Then when Alabama started blitzing the OU offense did almost nothing the rest of the game because the OL gave him 0 time and he also did not handle it very well. I really think if they can protect Mateer the offense can be really good. But if they can protect AND actually run the ball, oh man that's really a crazy idea. I think having TE's that can block will mean so much to this team and they obviously made that a priority. On the WR front Sategna obviously was great. Other than him that room was pretty average this year. We don't know for sure but it seems like Trell Harris is going to be really good. It seems like Livingstone gives OU something they didn't have this year. If you listen to this morning's Oklahoma breakdown Teddy and Gabe are begging to let Elijah Thomas show what he can do and what they saw in the spring and fall camps. Manny Choice also can be a weapon. He's listed at 6'4 212 and he can run. Petit is listed at 6'3 220. Rogers can fly. This room is very theoretical but the upside is really high. More like the upside of previous good OU offenses IMO. That doesn't mean much though. They've got to go do something. I really think this offense will be a lot better this year assuming health luck which can make all the difference any given year.
We'll know a lot more after we play Michigan in the Big House in September.
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Estes11

Jan 07, 4:03 PM

Vegas-Sooner said:
Just stfu. If you’re going to complain about QB then give us a list of the exact players you would have targeted and for how much money. Then give us a cost breakdown of the remaining portal additions and the guys we wouldn’t have been able to land because of the extra money for a QB. I know I complain about the OL and get hyperbolic when I complain but some of y’all just straight up don’t live in reality and have no concept of roster building.
Average QB's, if you can get them are going for 2 million. Cam Newton was paid 180k. Imagine what it would be now.
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TU98

Jan 07, 4:06 PM

bgritt34 said:
Like the upgrades, but hard to put to much stock in the offense until it proves it be consistent in the meat of the SEC schedule. We as fans need to do a better job not buying the preseason/ early season media/insider hype until its being proven out each Saturday in the fall
What hype? They haven't even practiced yet. I'm just looking at next years pieces compared to this year.
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TORY BRAYROCK

Jan 07, 4:07 PM

Not relying on Mateer to be THE running game will help a ton and keep defenses honest. He still needs to improve passing, but hopefully an offseason will be the ticket. Having some bigger tight ends, especially one that's essentially an extra O lineman, should help spring some big runs. I'd guess the running game takes the biggest leap forward next season. Still having a strong defense and a good running game should get us back to the playoffs.
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Vegas-Sooner

Jan 07, 4:10 PM

Estes11 said:
Average QB's, if you can get them are going for 2 million. Cam Newton was paid 180k. Imagine what it would be now.
Bro come on lol. Game has completely changed.
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OUChirper

Jan 07, 4:13 PM

c_Blake_c said:
Totally turning over the WR room, even though they were open a lot last season, but bringing back a highly accurate and inconsistent QB is…a move. Hopefully it works, but this staff has failed to get offense right time and time again. That said, Harris is a nice addition and I think Hansen will help a lot.
Have to get a run game. That'll open things up and take the pressure off Mateer
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Dad Turnipseed

Jan 07, 4:17 PM

The craziest part about moving to Michigan for me has not be the unrelenting lack of sunshine in the winter but the lack of college ball knowledge in this state. I thought it would be much better than Colorado but no, now its just people who don't know ball AND think their program is above all others because they eat up all the UM and B1G propaganda and don't watch any other games.
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bigcrimsontx

Jan 07, 4:18 PM

bgritt34 said:
Like the upgrades, but hard to put to much stock in the offense until it proves it be consistent in the meat of the SEC schedule. We as fans need to do a better job not buying the preseason/ early season media/insider hype until its being proven out each Saturday in the fall
We need to tighten up OUr Expectations vs Reality meter big time.
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Estes11

Jan 07, 4:19 PM

Vegas-Sooner said:
Bro come on lol. Game has completely changed.
That's what I'm talking about. It boggles the mind to think of what an instant National Title QB would go for now.
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c_Blake_c

Jan 07, 4:22 PM

Vegas-Sooner said:
Just stfu. If you’re going to complain about QB then give us a list of the exact players you would have targeted and for how much money. Then give us a cost breakdown of the remaining portal additions and the guys we wouldn’t have been able to land because of the extra money for a QB. I know I complain about the OL and get hyperbolic when I complain but some of y’all just straight up don’t live in reality and have no concept of roster building.
It wouldn’t be hard to find a QB that can beat 14 TDs and 11 INTs.
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Sooner Redzone

Jan 07, 4:34 PM

I think that WR wise you’ve added a great addition as a threat and compliment to Satenga in Harris. He’s 6.0 200 and built more like a RB but still a deep threat. Then you add Livingstone who is a nice target. But as far as the offense… first down was horrendous. It helps create rhythm. Our offense had the rhythm of Disney’s Goofy with the Vienna Philharmonic. But my novice eyes see with these big TE’s and our OL a shift to more of a run game. Part of that rhythm was running the ball on first down was rough. The screen game a disaster. Couldn’t break a tackle much less block it. I can see better success on first down plus utilizing the TE’s in a short passing game.
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UpperEastDeck

Jan 07, 4:34 PM

c_Blake_c said:
It wouldn’t be hard to find a QB that can beat 14 TDs and 11 INTs.
1. If Mateer doesn't improve, he might be the single biggest issue holding us back from national contention. 2. It would nevertheless be extremely expensive and difficult to buy a portal QB substantially better than Mateer, not to mention the bad optics it would create for future QB recruits.
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Kc10sooner

Jan 07, 4:34 PM

TORY BRAYROCK said:
Not relying on Mateer to be THE running game will help a ton and keep defenses honest. He still needs to improve passing, but hopefully an offseason will be the ticket. Having some bigger tight ends, especially one that's essentially an extra O lineman, should help spring some big runs. I'd guess the running game takes the biggest leap forward next season. Still having a strong defense and a good running game should get us back to the playoffs.
Not to mention the wear and tear on his body. I really think his passing will be better if he’s not getting rocked by 300# defense lineman 15-20 times a game. 5-8 rushes a game is way more reasonable.
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TORY BRAYROCK

Jan 07, 4:40 PM

Dad Turnipseed said:
The craziest part about moving to Michigan for me has not be the unrelenting lack of sunshine in the winter but the lack of college ball knowledge in this state. I thought it would be much better than Colorado but no, now its just people who don't know ball AND think their program is above all others because they eat up all the UM and B1G propaganda and don't watch any other games.
No, just Michigan beaters.
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Dubc81

Jan 07, 4:44 PM

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TU98

Jan 07, 4:45 PM

bigcrimsontx said:
We need to tighten up OUr Expectations vs Reality meter big time.
Like last year when people thought this year could possibly be a playoff team? pfft
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JustinFTG

Jan 07, 4:46 PM

The biggest improvement to me is this offense is going to have some size. OL is 6'5"+ across the board except for EPL who plays big and physical. Two 6'5"+ tight ends who can block. Two running backs that are 6' and 220 lbs that will get significant snaps. Receivers aren't bad either at 6'4", 6'0", and 5'10" with good size behind them. Will look the part finally in the SEC, at least, and can hopefully lean on some defenses this year.
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Soonerskin1972

Jan 07, 4:50 PM

TU98 said:
They haven't really signed any crazy, big splash portal guys but the guys they signed combined with the guys coming back and the expected improvement from a year 1 guy to a year 2 guy should make this offense much better IMO. On the OL you've got Fasusi/EPL/Maikkula or Nitta/Fodje or Ozeata/E'Marion Harris or Fodje and then Afavala, Akinkunmi, Hollenbeck, Deacon Schmitt, Noah Best and whoever else they bring in in the portal. They had 3 freshman starting last year. That's kind of crazy. That group just by getting a year older, bigger and more experienced should be a lot better. Harris has a ton of starting SEC experience. He's going to help a lot. I don't know much about Nitta but he graded out well. Hollenbeck is supposedly a beast strength wise. I know nothing about how good he is but there is a chance some of these young guys could be helpful too. You would have to think this group should be a decent amount better... I don't know how many watched Gabe do his in the weeds on Hayden Hansen. You see different things on Twitter about how good or not good he is. Gabe is really excited about this guy and his ability to block. He showed videos of him on an island blocking legit DE's from several different top teams. He was blocking the Miami DE on an island. The Texas DE on an island. Another good team too but I can't remember who. Can you imagine doing that with any of last years TE's? He's also a good run blocker. It sounds like the Yale guy they have on campus is kind of similar in this way. If you watch the first 1/3 of the Alabama game when Mateer was comfortable in the pocket he was picking them apart. Then when Alabama started blitzing the OU offense did almost nothing the rest of the game because the OL gave him 0 time and he also did not handle it very well. I really think if they can protect Mateer the offense can be really good. But if they can protect AND actually run the ball, oh man that's really a crazy idea. I think having TE's that can block will mean so much to this team and they obviously made that a priority. On the WR front Sategna obviously was great. Other than him that room was pretty average this year. We don't know for sure but it seems like Trell Harris is going to be really good. It seems like Livingstone gives OU something they didn't have this year. If you listen to this morning's Oklahoma breakdown Teddy and Gabe are begging to let Elijah Thomas show what he can do and what they saw in the spring and fall camps. Manny Choice also can be a weapon. He's listed at 6'4 212 and he can run. Petit is listed at 6'3 220. Rogers can fly. This room is very theoretical but the upside is really high. More like the upside of previous good OU offenses IMO. That doesn't mean much though. They've got to go do something. I really think this offense will be a lot better this year assuming health luck which can make all the difference any given year.
I agree with pretty much all of this and think the offense should make a big leap this year. Assuming that Mateer plays like we thought he was going to. He shouldn’t have to be relied on to carry the offense next season. I think Arbuckle is good and will continue to improve as this will be what, his 4th season calling plays by himself. Plus it looks like they should have a legit TE room for the first time in years and hopefully an upgrade at position coach. In my opinion it is a prove it year for the position coaches. Is BB actually one of the best O-line coaches in the country? He should have the talent and hopefully they will add some more depth. Is Emmett Jones a good coach? This will be year 4 for him. Who has he recruited and developed into an NFL receiver? I love Demarco and he is an OU legend, but same question for him. How many backs has he recruited and developed into an NFL RB. I’m glass half full guy and I want these players and coaches to be successful, but I had questions about all of the offensive position coaches at the end of the season.
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Sooner Redzone

Jan 07, 4:56 PM

Sooner Redzone said:
I think that WR wise you’ve added a great addition as a threat and compliment to Satenga in Harris. He’s 6.0 200 and built more like a RB but still a deep threat. Then you add Livingstone who is a nice target. But as far as the offense… first down was horrendous. It helps create rhythm. Our offense had the rhythm of Disney’s Goofy with the Vienna Philharmonic. But my novice eyes see with these big TE’s and our OL a shift to more of a run game. Part of that rhythm was running the ball on first down was rough. The screen game a disaster. Couldn’t break a tackle much less block it. I can see better success on first down plus utilizing the TE’s in a short passing game.
And just got since this. “The Hoosiers have run it 276 times on first down and thrown it 158. When you average 5.9 yards per carry on first down, that’s a winning formula—one that leads directly to a lot of manageable third downs. Not coincidentally, Indiana leads the nation in third-down conversion rate at 56.5%.”

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